Are women more prone to learned helplessness?In the context of eastern countries, women face alot of hardships and give up their dreams more easily leading to learned helplessness. A lot of young...

Are women more prone to learned helplessness?

In the context of eastern countries, women face alot of hardships and give up their dreams more easily leading to learned helplessness. A lot of young women in india give up their desires nad their aspirations due to cultural pressure as india is a country of more rural area than urban.

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M.P. Ossa | College Teacher | (Level 1) Distinguished Educator

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Yes. I know in my country the drama of novellas entrance women to the point of obsession, and they end up acting like the women in the soap opera, who are often damisels in distress. Drama is Queen back home, and unfortunately this mode of entertainment is taking over all their mental capacity and enfeebleing them.

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lfawley | College Teacher | (Level 1) Associate Educator

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I agree that the situation still exists, but is more prevalent in some cultures than in others. Learned helplessness comes from socio-political socialization, and that comes from family, school, and the media in varying degrees. If the woman is from a culture where helplessness and dependency is taught to women at an early age from families and in schools, and if the media enforces and embraces this as well, then there is definitely a better chance that she will grow up with a greater degree of learned helplessness. However, if any one of those influences shifts (which is why some countries keep a tight reign on education and the media because they don't want progressive ideology making its way to the people) then this is where the pattern begins to shift. This is exactly what changed us in America. We started to see women such as Sojourner Truth in the mid to late 1800's speaking our for women's suffrage, and the educated started to listen and take note, and schools began to toy with the idea of equality, and as women became teachers they remembered Truth and others and they passed that memory on until the women's rights movement grew.

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besure77 | Middle School Teacher | (Level 1) Senior Educator

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I would agree that it more of a cultural thing than learned helplessness. I think of learned helplessness as being more like having things done for you so much that you become dependent on that.

Women in other cultures are raised in a way that molds them for the roles they are supposed to fill.

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booksnmore | College Teacher | (Level 3) Adjunct Educator

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I would agree that it's a cultural thing...and your point about certain eastern countries is well taken. I've wondered, however, if the U.S. isn't creating a whole generation of children with learned helplessness...both genders. So much is done for kids these days. And the whole "feel good" culture...we tell children they're doing a "good job" when they've not really done anything spectacular. I'm currently teaching a little boy who seems to have a lot of the characteristics of a child with learned helplessness. He doesn't do much in class. Wanders. Not ADHD. But with a hovering mother who makes excuses for his issues. No diagnosed special need. He seems to think he can't do things. And when I give him a little push, he can. But somehow, somewhere, he's learned not to try.

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lrwilliams | College Teacher | (Level 1) Educator

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This is indeed a cultural thing, as mentioned above women in the Eastern Countries are not allowed to pursue their own desires as far as outside jobs or education. In the US we are getting to a point where women are able to pursue these things, however the desire so often depends on the way the young lady was raised.

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amy-lepore | High School Teacher | (Level 1) Educator Emeritus

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Even in this country it is true to a certain extent.  People internalize what they know...if they come from a family where abuse is common, that's what they think is "normal".  It takes an awful lot of counseling and living outside of the abuse to "reprogram" that learned way of living and coping with negative stimuli.

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ask996 | High School Teacher | (Level 1) Senior Educator

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This is undoubtedly true in many countries, but I think the situation is changing for some women. More women are being "allowed" to pursue opportunities outside of what has traditionally been accepted or permitted—education is quite possibly one of these areas.

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nusratfarah | (Level 1) Valedictorian

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Hmm... here quite a lot debates are going on... Interesting!

I'd like to establish my very own opinions and reasons to support them.

Of course, women especially in eastern countries are helpless more or less. They are vulnerable. And, whoever doubts, can take a look for statistics.

My friend's mother, for example, has been a working lady since before she was married. She had to help his father. She helped and still, is helping. It is her income which adds to his dad's income, and these make the family lead a better life. But, this help is not only provided by cash only. She, being a teacher, looks after almost all the domestic jobs after returning from the college. But, whenever the dad finds out a little mistake in the home-management sector, he just says to her to leave the job and concentrate on the household services. He, at the same time needs her financial aid, and demands perfection. Is it possible?

Isn't this helplessness? Isn't it a sort of torture?

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krishna-agrawala | College Teacher | (Level 3) Valedictorian

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Are men ready to get married to women who have a higher paying scale or a women running the family as she earns more than them? Don't you think that women want to get married to men with higher income for a peaceful family life?   (Lavishachand in post#9)

This is exatly the point I was trying to make in my post #7. Men and women may want or prefer different things in life. And each of them stands fair chance of getting what they want. I don't see what is wrong with that.

Then:

... do really women want to give up their jobs and get married or is it the societies call? (Lavishachand in post#9)

Again, facts presented in my earlier post post do indicate that society has no problem with women who retain their jobs.

Also:

Are (actually) women who do the above things pursuing their own dreams or are they pursuing dreams of their parents, husband, relatives, family, etc., etc.. (Lavishachand in post#9)

Is there anything wrong in caring for parents, husband, wives, relatives and family. Is it that the parents,, relatives and family don't include women. Or, is that women do not receive in return, care from their parents, family, and other relatives including both men and women members in it.

Living in a society is worthwhile because of the mutual consideration people have for each other benefits all. We care for our parents, spouses, and children because they are valuable for us. They help us in obtaining physical comforts of life. In addition, loving them and being loved by them gives us joy and happiness. Let us not loose all this in trying to make men and women identical in the name of equality. There are differences between men and women and they can be equal without eliminating these differences.

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lavishachand | Student, Undergraduate | eNotes Newbie

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One of the debater posted,"...many such women are quite happy to give up their job and get married to someone with better income. Of course, those who are not as lucky to get married with someone with that good income, continue in their jobs. It does not appear to me that these women are giving up their dreams when they leave their jobs. It looks more like giving up jobs to pursue better dreams."

I would want to give a food for thought to all the readers, do really women want to give up their jobs and get married or is it the societies call?

Are men ready to get married to women who have a higher paying scale or a women running the family as she earns more than them? Don't you think that women want to get married to men with higher income for a peaceful family life?

and do you think that the ones who continue their jobs, they actually are not contended or did not get someone with a higher income?

Are (actually) women who do the above things pursuing their own dreams or are they pursuing dreams of their parents, husband, relatives, family, etc., etc..

Aren't all of this societal pressures a women has to face and become helpless without any reason??? 

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krishna-agrawala | College Teacher | (Level 3) Valedictorian

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I am not sure if there is significant difference between hardships faced by women in eastern and western countries. It is quite true that percentage of women employed to work outside the home is higher in developed countries than in developing countries. But that is because there are not enough jobs outside the home while there is enough useful work to do for the family. And this work done by women within the confines of their families is less strenuous than the work then done by their husbands. A labourer engaged in manual work in a field, factory or construction faces much harsher environmental condition and puts in much harder physical work than is put in by women in homes. When we come to the middle or upper-class families, the women usually lead quite easy life.

Now it is quite common for women in India to go in for higher studies. Those with such qualification do jobs as good as  ones that men with comparable qualifications get. But many such women are quite happy to give up their job and get married to someone with better income. Of course, those who are not as lucky to get married with someone with that good income, continue in their jobs. It does not appear to me that these women are giving up their dreams when they leave their jobs. It looks more like giving up jobs to pursue better dreams.

I am not quite sure about the situation in the developed countries. But I will not be surprised if there also percentage of working women in more affluent families is less.

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epollock | (Level 3) Valedictorian

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This is even true in the Middele East and not just in India and Asia. Only when females can have complete independence in all societies can there really be equality in the world. I would hate to wear a bur-qua in 120 degree weather.

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