What are some of your views on the dilemma of undocumented immigrants with chronic renal failure and end stage renal disease?Who pays for the treatment and cost for care. In the U.S it would be...

What are some of your views on the dilemma of undocumented immigrants with chronic renal failure and end stage renal disease?

Who pays for the treatment and cost for care. In the U.S it would be considered unethical  to deny chronic dialysis to prison inmates or even prisoners of war,but there is no outcry about the current situation concerning undocumented immigrants who receive dialysis treatment.

I just would like different out puts from all ethnic groups. thanks so much.

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brettd | High School Teacher | (Level 2) Educator Emeritus

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Health care, to me, is a human right.  This clashes in a most fundamental way with the for profit system we have designed.  You cannot pit human health against the insatiable corporate desire for more and more money.  Human health will lose every time.

I was in Canada camping when I was in college.  I developed an acute appendicitis and was taken to a local hospital.  I told them I had no insurance and very little money.  The doctor said "relax, you're in Canada" and laughed.  I received excellent care, and was not rushed out the door after one day, but stayed in the hospital for two days.  I never paid a dime, I never even saw a bill.

That's real health care.  That's a true society.  To this day, when the Canadian anthem is played at a Washington State sporting event, I keep my hand over my heart.

In my opinion, give undocumented workers all the treatment they need.  Raise my taxes to pay for it, and I'll gladly fork it over.  They harvest my food, they provide essential services and do labor no American citizen wants to, and for peanuts.  I say they deserve it.

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amy-lepore | High School Teacher | (Level 1) Educator Emeritus

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I am a humanist, meaning I think all people have the right to live with dignity and in a way which provides them the best quality of life.  That having been said, I will play devil's advocate for a while.  You say that it is unethical not to provide necessary care to prisoners, and you are correct.  Prisoners are incarcerated by a court and jury who deemed them guilty of some crime.  They are usually citizens of the US, but not always.  At any rate, they are in prison because we put them there, and it would be cruel and unusual not to give them basic care for their term of imprisonment.  Illegal aliens put themselves in a country without proper documentation.  No one asked them to come or to get sick once they got here.  Sure, their illness is not their fault, but in many cases, they made the trip knowing they were ill.  If they can't pay for it, why did they come in the first place?  Is it possible they knew their own country wouldn't care for them, so they came to play on the good nature of American physicians and the "we treat everyone" in the emergency room or free clinics programs we have here?

The question then becomes:  is it fair that undocumented aliens get medical treatment when some of our own citizens who need the same care are not receiving it because they can't afford to pay?

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besure77 | Middle School Teacher | (Level 1) Senior Educator

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You are right that it would be unethical to deny dialysis to anyone who needed it to survive whether they are a US citizen or not. I know that right now many undocumented immigrants are fearful for what the healthcare reform will bring. Here is a portion of an article I came across in USA Today:

Illegal immigrants can get emergency care through Medicaid, the federal-state program for the poor and people with disabilities. But they can't get non-emergency care unless they pay. They are ineligible for most other public benefits.

In addition, since end stage renal disease is deadly I believe it would be against the Hippocratic Oath that doctors take. This is an emergency situation.

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"we treat everyone" in the emergency room or free clinics programs we have here? -Amy

ROTFLMAO... good one, Amy! I love your really really dark, ironic, cynicism.

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