What message would you give to help young Christians in today's Church? What message would you give to help young Christians in today's Church?

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justaguide | College Teacher | (Level 2) Distinguished Educator

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The indoctrination Frizzy is talking about is not just telling children a few stories, but repeating it a hundred times to brainwash them in a sense. Children can't understand all the rational dialogue that we talk about here.

Does a person who believes that Jesus is a saviour tell his child a few tales of his miracles and then give him an option to believe or not. Even if that were done does the child have the ability to question what has been told.

If people think that they have the right to choose if they want to practice or not, why not wait till children are mature enough before they are told about any of these beliefs. There are many things that we currently do not tell children about, though they exist, s** for instance, but children are told about it when they are mature and capable of taking rational decisions.

Why not make religion something like that. Give it a 13+ or a 16+ rating.

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ask996 | High School Teacher | (Level 1) Senior Educator

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While you do have a right to your opinion, I think what Larrygates was pointing out was the violence of your reaction. All people should choose for themselves a personal system of faith. Christians will believe as they will. Other religions will believe as they will. Atheists will refuse to believe and denounce those with religious faith abused and indoctrinated, etc. The way I see it, however, is: I live my life as a person of Christian faith. It's not what I believe--it's what I know. I know I will have an eternity with Christ in heaven. That being said, if, as frizzyperm suggests people of faith are deluded, then I've lived a good life with hope and peace for eternal salvation. If frizzyperm is wrong on what has he banked his eternity?

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larrygates | College Teacher | (Level 1) Educator Emeritus

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I understand that frizzyperm does not practice religion; which is his right; yet I wonder about the degree of cynicism expressed in your post. It is also the right of those who practice religion to practice it freely, to attack it as ridiculous and strange is a bit cruel and self serving. There are many religious points of view with which I do not agree. The same can be said of politics, economics, and many other issues. I am a firm believer in healthy dialogue in order to find common ground; but I see no purpose in ridiculing that which is intensely personal to another.

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larrygates | College Teacher | (Level 1) Educator Emeritus

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If you mean today's Church, rather than today's world, as your question is written, I would advise the young person to study and endeavor to understand the teachings of his/her particular denomination and how that teaching is supported by Scripture. Certainly the ethical teachings of Jesus are important. Thomas Jefferson, a Deist, considered Jesus the wisest man who ever lived, and developed his own version of the New Testament which eliminated the virgin birth and the miracles and ended with the Crucifixion. This "Jefferson Bible" is still used by the Unitarian Universalist fellowship.  If one is a mainstream Christian, however, he needs to be familiar with his own denomination and strive to lead his life by the teachings of Jesus, both spiritual and ethical, as defined by his church.

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pohnpei397 | College Teacher | (Level 3) Distinguished Educator

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This is a question whose answer depends on your beliefs about what Christianity should be and what sorts of things Christians should emphasize.  For myself, I am not a fundamentalist Christian and that affects the message I would give young Christians.

My advice to them would be to try to follow the ethical teachings of Jesus Christ as opposed to the details of theology or the rules of conduct that some people think are so important.  I would tell them that they should be more concerned with the idea of loving their neighbors as themselves instead of with judging other people who do not live up to their standards of conduct or belief.  I would urge them to witness to others by showing their love, not by judging the way that other people live their lives.

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frizzyperm | College Teacher | (Level 1) Educator

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If frizzyperm is wrong on what has he banked his eternity? - ask996

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysjHHTAsMAU

Why would God create intelligent humans then horrifically punish them for refusing to believe highly unlikely claims without proof? If God is very clever, why would he punish clever people for doing some fairly simple rational thinking and correctly concluding that God has not provided any objective evidence of his existence?

Maybe The Bible is God's unexpected test and those who reject its message go to heaven for thinking critically. Maybe God despises religious people for spending their lives on their knees in submissive prostrations to unseen, uncertain deities. Maybe he loves me for my independence. After all, Christians always claim their lord moves in mysterious ways.

And my atheistic statements are no more 'violent' than religious ones. They merely contradict religious beliefs and make religious people 'offended'. I can't help that, welcome to my world. 

9/11 changed many things, one those things was that atheists will not sit quietly by and let conflicting nonsenses destroy the world. We are the new gays, we are coming out and we are not afraid anymore. And we're going to be asking a lot of very awkward questions. 

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frizzyperm | College Teacher | (Level 1) Educator

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I do not ridicule religion for pleasure. I am simply stating that religious beliefs, when stripped of their mystique, are ridiculous.

Religion has insisted for millenia that it will not tolerate any type of criticism. In the past it has enforced this policy with the most extreme brutality that can be imagined. And it still tries to brutally enforce its position in much of the non-western world today. However in the west, we have managed to corral the bullying nature of organised religion and have removed its sting (for now at least). But it still insists that its beliefs are given huge exclusion zones of muted tolerance and unchallenged action.

No. I refuse to accept this demand to avert my eyes from their activities. Every child that has their head stuffed with this ancient nonsense is another child abused and lost. Read my post again (#4). I didn't say anything that was unnecessarily harsh. It is what I believe. I also have the right to practice my beliefs freely. And I believe religion has out-lived its usefulness and is a millstone around our neck. The era of atheists cowering in the corner is over. We WILL speak out on the failings of religion and our view is valid and totally socially permissible. I will not be shushed by foot-shuffling appeals for 'respect'. After all, what about the respect for my opinion?

Most religious people are religious because of their childhood indoctrination. I wish to protect future children from this cruel and nonsensical abuse.

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frizzyperm | College Teacher | (Level 1) Educator

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I would tell them that they have fallen victim to an ancient indoctrination system and, through a series of self examinations and questioning, they should come to realise that they have been brain-washed by others into believing things that are ridiculous and strange.

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