What does Holden want to talk to Carl Luce about in "The Catcher in the Rye"?Carl calls it "a typical Holden Caulfield conversation."
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In the conversation with Luce, Holden reveals much sexual confusion.
Here's the scene's major points:
- Luce is an older, college student who goes to Columbia; he's similar to Stradlater from earlier chapters; Holden is secretly jealous of these men
- Luce used to talk about famous "flits" (homosexuals)
- Holden suspects that Luce was gay
- Luce is currently dating an older, Asian woman
- Luce says he prefers the Eastern view of sex over the Western one: the former values a spiritual and physical connection, while the latter stresses the physical too much.
- Luce tells Holden to go see a psychoanalyst; Luce himself gives him psychoanalytic advice.
- Holden has previously rejected psychoanalysis: "my lousy childhood" and "that David Copperfield crap"
- Holden is drunk and feeling sexy.
- Holden is "I'm so lonely I could die," which echoes Huck Finn's "I'm so lonesome I could die"
- Luce leaves Holden because the conversation is beneath him: Holden looks physically old, but he is still mentally immature.