Views on justice, freedom and equalityDo you think Justice, freedom and equality are inspiring but deceptive or are you for the helpful and dangerous ideals?

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missy575 | High School Teacher | (Level 1) Educator Emeritus

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I think each are inspiring ideals in a perfect society. They would work in a perfect society. But in a flawed society, like all of them are including America, a little freedom in the wrong hands hurts the greater good. Having such ideals are beneficial when the group or society in question agrees to act ethically. Under most circumstances, this just doesn't happen.

However, I think we have the best, and closest set of ideals through which freedom, equality and justice can operate the most effectively.

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besure77 | Middle School Teacher | (Level 1) Senior Educator

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I also think that everyone has a different concept of what justice, freedom and equality actually are. What one person may see as deceptive another may see as truthful.

I do not think that justice is always served and I certainly do not think that freedom and equality are always present. What is inspiring about these words is actually seeing them in action when something amazing is happening.

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lrwilliams | College Teacher | (Level 1) Educator

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I would agree with mrsmonica that justice and equality will be the hardest to achieve. I am not sure we have made it all the way to freedom, but for most in the U.S. I would say we are pretty close to it.

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drmonica | (Level 2) Associate Educator

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I am in favor of "all of the above." I agree with ask996 that "Justice, freedom, and equality are deceptively idealistic."

Of the three ideals you list, I believe that freedom is the one we have come closest to achieving in the United States. Justice is dependent on many factors, not the least of which is the availability of personal finances for a high-quality attorney. Equality in the workplace is still an elusive goal, particularly for women and minorities.

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brettd | High School Teacher | (Level 2) Educator Emeritus

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We likely will never achieve the ideals, but our pursuit of those ideals has brought us a lot of social progress over the years.  A study on wages was just released suggesting that women earn 83 cents for every dollar earned by a man.  That's quite a disparity, but five years ago it was 77 cents.  Martin Luther King Jr. had a dream, and in 2008 the US elected an African-American President, something he probably didn't foresee in a mere 40 years.

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ask996 | High School Teacher | (Level 1) Senior Educator

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Justice, freedom, and equality are deceptively idealistic. What I’m interested in is how the all interconnect with regard to the "American Justice" system. Look at the number of people indicted, convicted, and incarcerated from the low, middle, and high economic levels of our society. Where do the highest percentages occur? Low--not because they commit a greater percentage of crimes but because they don’t have the money to buy justice.

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pohnpei397 | College Teacher | (Level 3) Distinguished Educator

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I am not sure why this is an either-or question.  To me, the answer is yes.

Of course these are inspiring ideals.  I think they are also deceptive if anyone thinks that they can be achieved in perfect form here on Earth.  And I think that they are dangerous because they can make people angry -- people can angry when they want these things but cannot (in their opinion) get them.

So they are inspiring and also deceptive and dangerous.  But in the long term, having more of these things helps people more than it hurts them.

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krishna-agrawala | College Teacher | (Level 3) Valedictorian

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Justice, freedom, and equality are thins that we all want for ourselves. Also they are inspiring, and this is the reason, politicians are able to use these ideas so effectively to fool people. But  we must remember that a good thing does not become bad just because someone uses it in a wrong way.

Also these are ideals that we all should strive to achieve, although in practice it is impossible to achieve perfect justice, freedom and equality. Whatever progress we achieve this way will definitely be wroth the efforts we put in.

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treedreamer | (Level 2) eNoter

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This is an interesting debate. Justice? well, it is a man-made concept, unless you believe in divine or karmic concepts of justice. I suppose it depends on context also. Equality? not be be overly cynical, but I believe this is an impossible ideal, at least in a global sense - perhaps we are able to achieve this at personal, internal levels at times. We are highly competitive creatures and live in a world constructed on order and heirarchy. It is a struggle to be fair to all, even though it should be easy. I think the striving for equality is meaningful and tells more than the realisation of this ideal. Freedom? definately a relative statement. Certainly, living in an affluent, democratic country is a freedom from the savageries of poverty and war. Yet, spiritually and ethically, freedom may be limited. Saturation by media is not freedom. I read that some U.S comrades see themselves as free (I take it that is a political perspective - democracy). Not wanting insult an American's beliefs, but some of us in other countries see many Americans as powerfully influenced by the power of history, politics and massive media indoctrination (but who isn't!) As a caucasian Australian, freedom is an interesting concept. I mean, our ancestors got here in chains!

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