Is this proof of bible manipulation?Conservapedia is a right-wing, American Christian website. They believe God is a harsh judge and a stern father. They aren't happy with the bible. They...

Is this proof of bible manipulation?

Conservapedia is a right-wing, American Christian website. They believe God is a harsh judge and a stern father. They aren't happy with the bible. They claim the bible has been 'polluted by liberals'

So they are writing a new version...

http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservative_Bible_Project

They openly admit that their new version of the bible will reflect their beliefs and that their aim is to re-write the bible so that  it doesn't contain things they don't like. We can see [link above], with our own eyes, a group of radical Christians forcing their political beliefs into the bible. Their plan is to stop, "the infiltration of churches by liberals pretending to be Christian" That is a very dangerous, extreme statement, and these people are openly writing their own version of the bible!

Is this anecdotal evidence that the bible has always been twisted and re-written to suit the political flavor of the times. Is the bible really the unchanged message of God?

If Conservapedia believes they have the divine authority to  edit the bible, isn't it safe to conclude that, historically, many other groups have done the same? How can Christians claim the bible is the true word of God? The bible is clearly a political football kicked about by various groups, written and re-written again and again.

(And besides, if the previous versions were 'polluted by liberals', surely, logically, that means there has never been a clean version?)

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Ad hominem:  marked by an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made.  Hmmmmm.

 

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enotechris | College Teacher | (Level 2) Senior Educator

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There is no clean version of the Bible.  It may contain the inspired word of the Almighty, but it's the scribe who wrote it.  And edited. And omitted. And summarized.  And translated.  And this process has been going on for millennia. It's important to remember what we know it factually to be -- a chronicle, a history, a philosophy, written down by many people from many areas over much time, each individual "book" becoming incorporated into the Good Book we know it to be today.  The word itself comes from the Greek "Biblia," meaning books in the plural, not book in the singular. That word comes from "biblos," of Semitic origin, which means papyrus or scroll. Clearly what we take as one good book has been composed from very old stories written as separate books, when books were written on papyrus scrolls.  Perhaps the original intent in doing such a compilation was to give the few literate in the world at that time a summation of all human knowledge or wisdom that had been gleaned over the preceding centuries.

If anyone's read the Epic of Gilgamesh, you can't help but wonder at the flood story it contains.  The Epic was so popular, it has been found in several different versions upon clay tablets in several different places.  Clearly it went through a number of revisions. And it was "in print" for a few thousand years. Could what some revere as Holy Writ actually have as its source a pre biblican storyteller? Could the scribe who first wrote it on paper be summarizing a distantly-past story fragment from a broken Babylonian clay tablet?  Similarly, biblical scholars have shown Genesis to be a very pale copy of ancient Babylonian creation myths. When these were translated from Babylonian to Hebrew, could names and places and dates be updated?  Could that have happened again when the same story was translated from Hebrew to Greek?  From Greek to Latin?  From Latin to English?  And since the debate is over current versions of the Bible in English, even within one language, it's changed quite a bit -- anyone cuddled up with King James lately? Would it be presumtuous to assume that the same thing happened within every language it was "updated" in? Anyone ever played the game "telephone" when they were children?

Twenty or more kids make a circle.  An adult gives one of them a phrase, which is whispered to the next child, who whispers to the next, and all round until back at the beginning, when the adult recites the phrase once again, to the amusement of all.  My favorite transmogrification:  "Water water everywhere but not a drop to drink" to "Where to go where to go not in the kitchen sink."

"Blessed are the cheesemakers." This is the Word of the Lord, A reading from the Book of Brian.  Here we have Divine blessing on all business activities.

Rewriting the Bible in one's own image will serve those who believe in that image. If you don't like that version (and to their credit, the website has links to a feminist version of the Bible!) write your own.

Remember that everything you read is biased.  Otherwise the author wouldn't have bothered.

Line up all the biblical versions in chronological order next to King James. Put 'em in a big box and bury for a few thousand years. When found, they all must be true, 'cause they're old.  Scan them into whatever is the internet then and maybe some of those ancient stories will be the future creation myth. I guarantee you they'll be some debate.

 

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brettd | High School Teacher | (Level 2) Educator Emeritus

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Well, you ask if it is anecdotal evidence that the Bible has always been twisted, and yes, it is -- anecdotal.  While the idea of this group rewriting the Bible in their own extreme image is disturbing to be sure (and extremists on both the right and left have disturbing ideas in general), we need to be careful about making sweeping generalizations or indictments of the integrity of the Bible as a whole throughout time, based on this one example.

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pohnpei397 | College Teacher | (Level 3) Distinguished Educator

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The fact that some people want to change the Bible is not proof that the Bible has been manipulated over time.  The fact that some people wish to participate in this does not mean all conservatives agree with them any more than all liberals agree with the Earth Liberation Front or the National Man-Boy Love Association...

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marbar57 | Elementary School Teacher | (Level 3) Associate Educator

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Is this proof of bible manipulation?

Conservapedia is a right-wing, American Christian website. They believe God is a harsh judge and a stern father. They aren't happy with the bible. They claim the bible has been 'polluted by liberals'

So they are writing a new version...

http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservative_Bible_Project

They openly admit that their new version of the bible will reflect their beliefs and that their aim is to re-write the bible so that  it doesn't contain things they don't like. We can see [link above], with our own eyes, a group of radical Christians forcing their political beliefs into the bible. Their plan is to stop, "the infiltration of churches by liberals pretending to be Christian" That is a very dangerous, extreme statement, and these people are openly writing their own version of the bible!

Is this anecdotal evidence that the bible has always been twisted and re-written to suit the political flavor of the times. Is the bible really the unchanged message of God?

If Conservapedia believes they have the divine authority to  edit the bible, isn't it safe to conclude that, historically, many other groups have done the same? How can Christians claim the bible is the true word of God? The bible is clearly a political football kicked about by various groups, written and re-written again and again.

(And besides, if the previous versions were 'polluted by liberals', surely, logically, that means there has never been a clean version?)

  Excuse me if I want to laugh at these people you are describing, but they are way out of line!  God's word is offensive to them because they either can't or won't conform to and keep his commandments.  His word seems harsh to them because they are breaking it!

Yes, the Bible has been edited, rewritten, changed, and altered down through the ages by similar groups of people who wouldn't abide by it. 

I believe at one time, the Bible was pure, unaltered, and easy to understand--a "clean" version if you will!

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lynn30k | High School Teacher | (Level 1) Educator

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You're right--I don't know how they are going to manage to claim the whole "word of god" argument when they are re-writing it. And you are also right that the Bible has been re-written, editted, had books left out, and translated in various ways--all by humans. But people will do what they will, and justify it to themselves when they think they have god on their side.

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picturesque | Student, Undergraduate | (Level 1) Valedictorian

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There are many proves that Bible is manipulated by humans. Because there are many contradictions in the Bible.

CONTRADICTIONS IN THE OLD TESTAMENT

Further internal evidence bearing on the proposition that books of the Bible no longer reproduce the original revelation provided by the contradictions which exist between different parts of its text.(I) For example in Genesis I : 27 we read :"So God created man in his own image."And further on in 2 : 17 we read :"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it."These two quotations are contradictory. If they are to reconciled, we have to assume that even God is ignorant of the knowledge of good and evil. Because Adam being the image God, if he was ignorant of the knowledge of good and evil,then God also will have to be assumed as devoid of the power discriminating good from evil, the possession of which, in fact,constitutes the highest divine attribute. All other attributes are subordinate to it. If man was incapable of distinguishing between good and evil, he was incapable of anything worthy.What is worthy and valuable is that which is done intentionally and out of full consciousness. What is done unintentionally and unconsciously is not morally valuable. If man is incapable of distinguishing between good and evil, then he is not moral being, being unable either to choose good or to avoid evil.

(Introduction to the study of Holy Quran by Mirza Bashirrudin Mahmood Ahmad)

 

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picturesque | Student, Undergraduate | (Level 1) Valedictorian

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For God sake take pity on Bible. It has already been much manipulated and many human hands have made contributions to it.Consequently there are many contradictions with in the Bible.

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sumiyah2011 | Student, Grade 11 | eNotes Newbie

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Is this proof of bible manipulation?

Conservapedia is a right-wing, American Christian website. They believe God is a harsh judge and a stern father. They aren't happy with the bible. They claim the bible has been 'polluted by liberals'

So they are writing a new version...

http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservative_Bible_Project

They openly admit that their new version of the bible will reflect their beliefs and that their aim is to re-write the bible so that  it doesn't contain things they don't like. We can see [link above], with our own eyes, a group of radical Christians forcing their political beliefs into the bible. Their plan is to stop, "the infiltration of churches by liberals pretending to be Christian" That is a very dangerous, extreme statement, and these people are openly writing their own version of the bible!

Is this anecdotal evidence that the bible has always been twisted and re-written to suit the political flavor of the times. Is the bible really the unchanged message of God?

If Conservapedia believes they have the divine authority to  edit the bible, isn't it safe to conclude that, historically, many other groups have done the same? How can Christians claim the bible is the true word of God? The bible is clearly a political football kicked about by various groups, written and re-written again and again.

(And besides, if the previous versions were 'polluted by liberals', surely, logically, that means there has never been a clean version?)

yes the bible has been re-written. it does not make sense in some parts of it. it has always been twisted into how that era has wanted it

no the bible is not really the unchanged message of god.

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frizzyperm | College Teacher | (Level 1) Educator

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Somewhere we have to accept that there is a "clean translation" be it ESV, ASV, RSV, KJV...  if we accept that there is a true "Word" floating around somewhere... CharlesBuckles

Why should we accept that the true word of God is somewhere among all the twisted man-made versions?

Surely the logical conclusion, when presented with the vast array of different Bibles (and Torahs and Korans) all claiming to be the one and only true word of God, is that they are all man-made and lack God's input? They are all mutually exclusive and they all claim to be the word of God. Isn't it reasonable to assume they are all wrong? Man wrote the Bible, not God, the extremists at Conservapedia prove it for us.

What is the evidence that one of them truly is God's work? And, if one of them is God's work, why on Earth has he allowed such lethal confusion?

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charlesbuckles | College Teacher | eNotes Newbie

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Yes, a new version is dangerous! versions are different from translations though. Somewhere we have to accept that there is a "clean translation" be it ESV, ASV, RSV, KJV which read in parallel do not differ. once you start paraphrasing, twisting, and omitting you move from translating to creating "your" version. Thomas Jefferson had his own version of the Bible...he took out all miracles and other things that he just could not believe. It is easy to dismiss the idea that someone somewhere has the real translation because it takes no research only the ability to chime in and drag it through a literary wringer. But if we accept that there is a true "Word" floating around somewhere, then we find ourselves in an insane panic to search for the truth...which no one in this lackadaisical world is really up to these days. God and Religion are a past, past time...should we be alarmed?

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elfgirl | Student, Undergraduate | (Level 1) Salutatorian

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And I bet when the re-write their conservative bible all the science errors will have magically dissapeared. They have already posted their 'conservative' version of Genesis on-line and the stuff in the first few pages about 'how the universe was created' has been smoothed and rephrased so that it conforms to current scientific thinking.

And then they'll claim their bible is the holy unchanged word of God and must be used as the benchmark for society. You can't help but wonder how these people can shout so loudly about hell and damnation and judgement without any fear for their own souls!!!

 

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krishna-agrawala | College Teacher | (Level 3) Valedictorian

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I consider myself too ignorant and incompetent to interpret what is Christianity and sit on judgement on validity of what is written in the Bible. I only want to say that we should not try to side with anyone just because that person is conservative or radical. In this connection I would like to point out to those who reject radical ideas just for being radical, that Jesus Christ was also a Radical. But people believed in Jesus not because he was a radical or a conservative, but because he showed people a path to greater happiness.

Jesus opposed the religious and practices and social customs of his time, not because he opposed the Ideas of great religious leaders like Moses who had contributed to the establishment of those practices and customs but, because people were misinterpreting their ideas justifying their wrong deeds in name of religion. Jesus succeeded in his efforts because he was working in the interest of the people and he was capable of achieving his objective.

Similarly, we do not consider Martin Luther as someone opposed to bible or Christianity just because he he opposed the the wrong ideas and practices of conservative Christian of his time. He also succeeded because he acted in the interest of the people and was capable.

Looking at these examples, I don't really feel concerned when people professing my religion (Hindu religion) criticize it and speak of reforming it. If they are really right and capable, I am sure they will do some good to the religion. If not, they do not really matter. I believe people from other religions could also adopt a similar approach towards internal attempts to reform their religion.

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That's an interesting ironic concept. If the conservatives feel that the Bible is polluted, then why would God have allowed liberals to interfere with his message? If it is the true word of God, then why rewrite his message?  Was he not clear enough?

With all of the different versions of the Bible available, I would think any additional revision is moot. 

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