Is there proof that dinosaurs lived among man?I am in fact a bible thumpin Christian, yet I like reading and supporting science along the way to prove. A verse that comes into mind is that of Job...

Is there proof that dinosaurs lived among man?

I am in fact a bible thumpin Christian, yet I like reading and supporting science along the way to prove. A verse that comes into mind is that of Job 40: 15-25 talks of the "Behemoth" a beast that reminds me in its imagery of an well I can't really explain it, but it reminds me of a dinosaur. The verse decribes it in clear detail. I have always been a doubter of creation till now. Could this disprove evolution and we therefore walked with the dinosaurs? Maybe Dinosours are the ancestors of our modern day birds, yet even today people deny the credibility of the bible, yet the writers of the bible even stated the roundness of the earth in the book of Exodus. Could they have been on to something?

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vangoghfan | College Teacher | (Level 2) Educator Emeritus

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I'm not aware of any convincing evidence that dinosaurs (as we commonly understand that term) and humans co-existed. I suspect that if there were any such evidence, it would be very famous and very greatly discussed.  Below, I've appended two links.  One makes a case for the co-existence of humans and dinosaurs; the other cites many scientists who refute such claims, including the following: Bird, 1939; Neufeld, 1975; Zuidema, 1979 and 1981; Weber, 1981; Godfrey, 1981; Slaughter, in Kirsch, 1982; Langston, 1983.

http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=9&article=1493

http://ncse.com/cej/5/1/introduction

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enotechris | College Teacher | (Level 2) Senior Educator

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The Reign of Dinosaurs ended about 65 million years ago, if we can trust the fossil and geologic record. That same record suggests that humans, as we would know them to be, didn't exist until 4 to 6 million years ago.  Clearly what the authors of the Bible were recording were not dinosaurs, but as others have suggested, other species that have since gone extinct.

 

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literaturenerd | High School Teacher | (Level 2) Educator Emeritus

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I have to agree with speamerfam. The Bible was not written (or so I am thinking--given that all answers will not be answered until death) to make any statement on evolution. The Bible is read, and interpreted, by those who wish to either follow (or dispute) the Word of God. It is not scientific.

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Lorraine Caplan | College Teacher | (Level 1) Educator Emeritus

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The Bible neither proves nor disproves evolution.  It serves an entirely different purpose, to tell stories about the relationship between man and God.  Whether one believes those stories is a matter of faith, not of science.

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pacorz | High School Teacher | (Level 3) Educator

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There is some evidence that humans did indeed live among wooly mammoths and mastodons, which existed long after dinosaurs disappeared, according to commonly agreed upon scientific timelines. In fact, many scientists believe that humans helped push these animals to extinction.  Mammoths and mastodons were huge and probably incredibly impressive to see, and we know that they did eat grass and they preferred swampy and damp areas. Is it possible that the verse references such a creature?

As I recall, the Leviathan is usually thought by biblical scholars to be some sort of whale.

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pohnpei397 | College Teacher | (Level 3) Distinguished Educator

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The thing is, if dinosaurs lived among people, then practically every kind of science is wrong.  It's not just a dispute over evolution.  You then have to dispute things like geology and physics (because the dating of fossils is done by looking at the rates at which one kind of carbon turns into another).

Couldn't it just as well be that the Bible is God's word but put into ideas that could be understood by scientifically ignorant people living thousands of years ago?

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beefheart | Student, Undergraduate | (Level 3) Honors

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You all had great comments thanks for the help. I've always looked at this verse as a how can I say.....a yesterday and I believe might have reffered to a wooly mammoth or maybe a giant sloth. Many creatures roamed the land during the ice age. The Bible is basically written over at leasr a 6,000 year period by most scholars. Even some of the greatest religious scholars doubt its authenticity. The Bible I call it the as many others do "the book of Sorrow". People where comforted by this book and even today people still are comforted by this book. It is the most sold book in history, yet even though all of this is awkward and considered as mere legend or myth The writers of the bible wern't ignorant, but wanted to create a book on not just religion, but history and science in the eyes of religion. one of my Favorite people was a man known as Bacon forgot his first name, but he was a saint considered by the church his law was quite different than other religious leaders of the time he stated" Founders of the Church must therefore realize that the question too know you must first Calculate using the Triune of life, (use math ) as well as define the theory of existence use what you can see and you may one day find the answer(science) he claimed science and religion are both the same and are equal.

"The writers of the bible weren't ignorant."

Yes they were. They most definitely were. They were bronze-age, tribal nomads. In one of the many Biblical lists of that 'thou shalt not' stuff, there is a list of birds that we are prohibited to eat. Included in that list is the bat. Only a complete and total lack of understanding could explain this howling error of taxonomy. It is a blunt and basic Biblical science blunder.

"he [Francis Bacon] claimed science and religion are both the same and are equal."

Bacon lived 400 years ago, before the Enlightenment and The Age of Reason. He was a genius and a brilliant scientist, but he was also ignorant. Scientific knowledge in 1600 was almost zero. If Bacon were alive today he would support evolution 100%, because he would take the time to research the evidence thoroughly and come to the only possible logical conclusion... Genesis is wrong, Modern Biology is right.

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beefheart | Student, Undergraduate | (Level 3) Honors

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the verse is: Behold now Behemoth, which I made with thee: he eateth grass as an ox. Lo now his strength in his loins, and his force as in the navel of his belly. He moveth his tale as of cedar. the sinews of his stones are wrapped together. His bones are as strong as pieces of brass. His bones are like bars of Iron. He is the chief of the ways of god. He lieth under the shady trees. In the covert of the reeds and fens. The shady trees cover them with shadows. The willows of the brook compass him about. Behold he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth he can draw up jordan into his mouth. He taketh it with his eyes, his nose pierceth through snares......the verse then talks about another creature called the Leviathon. As you go further on. An entire passage about some mysterious animal like an ox who art you to judge it must have been one important animal?

Did it ever cross your mind that the desert nomad who wrote your quote in 1000 B.C. may have been simply have been trying to describe the reports he had heard of an elephant? Just because you are very familiar with elephants, don't assume that he was.

Dinosaurs and man did not co-exist. This is a simple and easily proved fact. Dinosaurs were wiped out 65 million years ago (except for those which evolved into birds) there is no controversy or argument about this. You are free to disbelieve it, but you will be 100% wrong if you do.

Dinosaurs and Humans only live together in The Flintstones.

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samjazael123 | Student, College Freshman | (Level 1) Salutatorian

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You all had great comments thanks for the help. I've always looked at this verse as a how can I say.....a yesterday and I believe might have reffered to a wooly mammoth or maybe a giant sloth. Many creatures roamed the land during the ice age. The Bible is basically written over at leasr a 6,000 year period by most scholars. Even some of the greatest religious scholars doubt its authenticity. The Bible I call it the as many others do "the book of Sorrow". People where comforted by this book and even today people still are comforted by this book. It is the most sold book in history, yet even though all of this is awkward and considered as mere legend or myth The writers of the bible wern't ignorant, but wanted to create a book on not just religion, but history and science in the eyes of religion. one of my Favorite people was a man known as Bacon forgot his first name, but he was a saint considered by the church his law was quite different than other religious leaders of the time he stated" Founders of the Church must therefore realize that the question too know you must first Calculate using the Triune of life, (use math ) as well as define the theory of existence use what you can see and you may one day find the answer(science) he claimed science and religion are both the same and are equal.

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samjazael123 | Student, College Freshman | (Level 1) Salutatorian

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the verse is: Behold now Behemoth, which I made with thee: he eateth grass as an ox. Lo now his strength in his loins, and his force as in the navel of his belly. He moveth his tale as of cedar. the sinews of his stones are wrapped together. His bones are as strong as pieces of brass. His bones are like bars of Iron. He is the chief of the ways of god. He lieth under the shady trees. In the covert of the reeds and fens. The shady trees cover them with shadows. The willows of the brook compass him about. Behold he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth he can draw up jordan into his mouth. He taketh it with his eyes, his nose pierceth through snares......the verse then talks about another creature called the Leviathon. As you go further on. An entire passage about some mysterious animal like an ox who art you to judge it must have been one important animal?

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