Most important election ever?I've heard it said, recently, that the 2010 election may turn out to be the most important election in American history.  The gist of the argument is that we're on a...

Most important election ever?

I've heard it said, recently, that the 2010 election may turn out to be the most important election in American history.  The gist of the argument is that we're on a path to socialism and globalism, and a shift in the balance of power in Congress will change the course and direction of the country back to capitallism and nationalism. In short, we're currently moving away from the founding principles and will either move closer or farther away from them after this coming election.  What say you--might this be the most important election in our country's history?

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Ashley Kannan | Middle School Teacher | (Level 3) Distinguished Educator

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I am slightly scared at how the tone of the discussion has turned as far away from the original question as possible.  I cannot help but feel that the discussion forum has devolved from its original purpose.  In the end, the original question about the upcoming midterm elections being the most important ever is an interesting premise.  I guess I agree with the 1860 and 1932 elections as being more pressing for the nations.  Simply put, more was at stake.  The Civil War and the Great Depression pretty much outweigh more than what is being faced now.  I don't doubt that there is much at stake in this round of midterm elections, but it simply does not compare to the literal political and economic fragmentation of the country that took place in these elections.  I would also echo the 2000 Presidential Election as being extremely important from a selfish standpoint.  We American History teachers were given the mother of all gold mines with that election in terms of the importance of the Electoral College.  I have had colleagues tell me that their lectures and discussions on the Electoral College were radically transformed through the 2000 election.

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MaudlinStreet | High School Teacher | (Level 2) Senior Educator

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Poster #9 is exactly right. In fact, I think this election is important, although it's nowhere near the most important ever. But seriously? We're all educated adults here...it seems to me that many of you are playing into the fear climate generated by the media. Name ONE SPECIFIC Constitutional principle or right that this administration has taken from you, or is looking to strip from you. MY guess is, if you can actually name something specific, it's based on faulty evidence.

For example, my boyfriend (who works for the federal government by the way) has a colleague shrieking about 2nd Amendment rights every other day. This person claims the Obama administration is looking to kill the 2nd Amendment. A quick glance at the recent Tea Party rallies, the bill to allow guns in churches in Louisiana, etc., & we can see that many others feel the same way. However, you know the only changes to the 2nd Amendment under the Obama administration? IT'S ACTUALLY BEEN STRENGTHENED! That's right: your gun rights have been EXPANDED!

So please: cut the socialism spiel, and understand that there are plenty of people who believe this country is absolutely on the right track: offering healthcare to more Americans, protecting the rights of working citizens, finally bringing some regulation to the rampant thugs on Wall Street, etc.

Also, to poster #3:

There is a common lack of interest in the good of the whole and our freedoms are slipping away from us more and more every day.

"The good of the whole"? You're one of the ones arguing that we're turning toward socialism! Shouldn't you be arguing for more individual responsibility? And please, show me one freedom that's "slipping away from us."

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scarletpimpernel | High School Teacher | (Level 1) Educator Emeritus

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I think that it's difficult to argue that an election that has not happened yet will be the most important one yet in American history and also stretching it to consider a mid-term election to be more significant than a Presidential one.

I do, however, think that the 2010 election might foreshadow how the 2012 election will play out, and in that sense, it is significant.

No matter what someone's political bent might be, I do think that it is illogical to disregard the public outspokenness that has occurred in the past couple of years.  Whether one agrees with the President's policies or not, it has been decades since so many Americans have shown such an interest in public policy, and I do think that that will play an important role in 2012.

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marbar57 | Elementary School Teacher | (Level 3) Associate Educator

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It is definitely interesting how the elections have gone against the norm this year...seems to me that the country is waking up and finally finding a voice of reason.  We are certainly getting "change"...but I'm not sure that we are coming out of moral decline, financial distress, or getting the relief in the medical insurance world that we need.

Our country needs logical people in office who expect everyone to work for a living (unless they are truly disabled...not that they have been on welfare the whole lives and so therefore they believe it is their right), and pull his or her own weight.  Grow your own food.  Don't depend on the government to support you.  Be self-sufficient and help your neighbor.  Do the right thing.  Pay your bills.  Live within your means.  Don't lie, cheat, sleep around, or steal.  Don't be greedy or influenced by those who are greedy and power-hungry.  Just because society says you should look like the girl on the cover doesn't mean they're right.  Think for yourself, work hard, keep a clear conscience. Oh, and if you're here in the country ILLEGALLY, either get LEGAL and become a citizen who has rights in this country or get out. 

It's simple, really.

 

  Oh, this is good--really good!  I really like this response and it's good common sense.  Basically people should just be good and be themselves.  I really like the part about the illegal aliens.  Here is Utah we have lots of migrant workers and I think lots of them are illegal aliens!  I think they should go through the same channels immigrants from other countries have to go through to become citizens.   Look at how strict Canada's immigration and passport laws are!  Why aren't our laws more strict? 

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brettd | High School Teacher | (Level 2) Educator Emeritus

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2010?  Really?  A midterm election for Congress?  I'd also completely take issue with this path to socialism nonsense.  Go to Cuba or Sweden sometime and then tell me how socialist we're becoming.  I'm sorry, but it's just ridiculous.  Even if Republicans were to take both houses of Congress, it wouldn't be a massive shift in policy.  Look at Clinton's presidency from 1995 - 2001 (with a Republican majority) as an example, or Bush's from 2007 - 2009 (with a Democratic one). There was no massive shift in national direction either time. Plus, there's no way for Republicans to take the Senate in November, so even that point is moot.  I also disagree that Republicans or so-called conservatives have some kind of monopoly on the "founding principles" and intimate knowledge of what the founders intended.  Most so-called conservatives voted for George W. Bush, twice, and a Republican Congress which then passed a $400 billion prescription drug benefit and ran up extra trillions in debt - all without protest.  I find it extremely convenient to claim these beliefs about socialism and spending restraint only now, when someone has won the Presidency that they don't like.

I would argue 1800 as the most important election, hands down.  It is the one where our democracy was assured and presidential power changed hands between political enemies, peacefully.  It was the start of our democratic tradition of recognizing and respecting the popular will, a tradition we've followed and strengthened ever since.

In response to post #8 - you're socially conservative, and we get it, as per your repeated posts.  But ask yourself, did the question refer at all to illegal immigration, welfare or fidelity?  And is it logical to assume or believe that anyone who voted for this President is illogical?  All 56% of the electorate?

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amy-lepore | High School Teacher | (Level 1) Educator Emeritus

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It is definitely interesting how the elections have gone against the norm this year...seems to me that the country is waking up and finally finding a voice of reason.  We are certainly getting "change"...but I'm not sure that we are coming out of moral decline, financial distress, or getting the relief in the medical insurance world that we need.

Our country needs logical people in office who expect everyone to work for a living (unless they are truly disabled...not that they have been on welfare the whole lives and so therefore they believe it is their right), and pull his or her own weight.  Grow your own food.  Don't depend on the government to support you.  Be self-sufficient and help your neighbor.  Do the right thing.  Pay your bills.  Live within your means.  Don't lie, cheat, sleep around, or steal.  Don't be greedy or influenced by those who are greedy and power-hungry.  Just because society says you should look like the girl on the cover doesn't mean they're right.  Think for yourself, work hard, keep a clear conscience. Oh, and if you're here in the country ILLEGALLY, either get LEGAL and become a citizen who has rights in this country or get out. 

It's simple, really.

 

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bullgatortail | High School Teacher | (Level 1) Distinguished Educator

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No way should the 2010 elections (non-Presidential) be considered the most important ever. I agree with the previous posts that mention the 1860 and 1932 elections as being far more historically relevant. I would also add the 2000 Presidential election to the list, where the voter shenanigans and maneuvering in my home state of Florida eventually allowed George Bush another four years to further plunge the U.S. into financial and moral decline.

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pohnpei397 | College Teacher | (Level 3) Distinguished Educator

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There is no way to argue that 2010's elections are more important than the presidential election of 1860 was.

First, people who say we are on the road to socialism are wildly overstating the case.  Pres. Eisenhower (no one's socialist) proposed that the government should essentially provide health insurance.  Few Republicans will contemplate touching socialized medicine for the elderly (Medicare) and Pres. Bush pushed through the huge prescription drug benefit.  Perhaps the health care thing is a major step towards socialism, but if so, both parties are inclined in that direction anyway.

Second, there is no way that a few policies promoted by Pres. Obama can possibly have the same impact on our country that the Civil War did.  The Civil War had huge impacts in terms of causing the deaths of many people and in terms of forever changing the system of race in America.  A Democratic victory (or a GOP one) in this Congressional election will not have impacts that are anywhere near as far-reaching as the Civil War.

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ask996 | High School Teacher | (Level 1) Senior Educator

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The 2010 election is important. Whether it is one of the most important remains to be seen. An interesting and possibly key element is as lrwilliams mentioned--the trend to kick out the incumbent. What voters have to realize is that the political repercussions of elections sometimes takes many years before any significant change for the good is manifested. Essentially, it probably takes longer to climb out of a deep hole than it does to dig it.

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lrwilliams | College Teacher | (Level 1) Educator

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I would agree that the 2010 election may be one of the most important ones in history. If you look at the results of the most recent elections the theme seems to be to vote against the incumbent. It will be interesting to see if this continues.

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marbar57 | Elementary School Teacher | (Level 3) Associate Educator

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Yes, I definately think this year's election may be the most important one yet in our history!  I'm alarmed at how radical the thinking of this country has gotten over the years and have wished and hoped for someone or something to stop the mad dash to destruction that our country seems to be pursuing!  Occasional glimpses of rationality have surfaced, only to be snuffed out or stomped down by the extremest liberalist atmosphere that seems to be rampant. 

We are on a path to socialism, globalism, universalism--whatever you want to call it!  We've strayed so far from the basic, simplistic principles and ideas that our Founding Fathers envisoned for this country that our current course is almost unrecognizable!  It seems like every up-and-coming politician is in it for themselves and what they and their cohorts can gain.  There is a common lack of interest in the good of the whole and our freedoms are slipping away from us more and more every day. 

We were set up as a democracy in the beginning, but the problem with a democracy is "if it's not carefully legislated – through the use of balances – to avoid an uneven distribution of political power (i.e. separation of powers), then a branch of the system of rule could accumulate power and become harmful to the democracy itself."  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy

This is basically what's happened to our country!  So, we need conservatives whose grassroots policies will get us to the freedoms and principles of our Constitution.  Maybe we can get it in this upcoming election?  I hope so!

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martinjmurphy | Middle School Teacher | (Level 1) Associate Educator

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No, I think the election of 1932 when Franklin Roosevelt was elected president was the most important.  The country was in the middle of its worst depression ever and needed someone with optimism and and a can do attitude.  Roosevelt was the perfect man for the job. Also at the time the world was headed towards a world war and again I think history has shown that Roosevelt was the right man for the job.

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thewanderlust878 | Student, College Freshman | (Level 3) Salutatorian

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I don't believe that non-presidential elections are as important as presidential ones. Sure, they are still important because it means we as the American people get to, more or less, choose who is helping to run the country, but it seems to me like presidential elections not only get more publicity, but the outcome is also paid attention to more. 

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