EarthQuake in Haiti (Port au Prince)How do you feel about what happend in Haiti? It's really bad that it happened and I'm sure our Government will do their best to help.

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pohnpei397 | College Teacher | (Level 3) Distinguished Educator

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im not sure that post #8 was attacking your posts specifically merely saying that prehaps america is not going about it in the right way, prehaps not being able to understand the situation, not you specifically mind you just america and other developed countries as a whole. i feel that ,yes haiti needs our help, but also that we shouldnt feel that we can just swoop in, take over and the country will be just dandy again, we made that mistake with afganistan and iraq. they need long term help, and need to be shown how to use the money.

My point was (partly) that we were all saying that America is not going about it the right way.

 

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pohnpei397 | College Teacher | (Level 3) Distinguished Educator

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I hope this doesn't sound too rude, but citizens of the richest country in the world specifying what one of the poorest countries in the world should do is likely to be full of ignorance.

Of course they would like to construct buildings that resist earthquakes, but that is a) expensive and b) advanced. Haiti is niether of these things.

I've lived in very poor countries for several years and I know that my friends and associates back in The West simply do not understand the situation. Put simply... they do not have the infrastructure that America has; Not physically, not educationally, not socially, not relating to stability, nor security, nor democracy... The lifestyle in Haiti is something you can't imagine unless you have spent an extended period in a poverty-striken 3rd world country.

Please understand, these countries are nothing like America.

 

(and ask996... --"Give me your tired, your poor,/ your huddled masses yearning to breathe free." That is one of the things that makes our country great.  Is that why we deport so many Mexicans?)

Calling other people ignorant is never conducive to constructive discussion.

This post does not reflect what most of the above posts are saying.  So before you say we're ignorant, make sure you summarize our points of view correctly.  We are not saying "let them build stronger buildings."  We are saying that until we figure out how to make sure money will actually help them, we are doing no good when we give them money.

Don't tell me about understanding the third world.  My dad's a native of a third world country and I grew up in one (age 2 'til HS).  Whether or not we understand what it's like in such countries makes no difference.  What we are saying is that our money has not been doing much good.

I would be very interested in knowing which specific statements you disagree with.  My statement that we don't understand how to help them?  Post 4's statement that the money hasn't helped them build an infrastructure?  Post 5's statement that they have a corrupt government?

But instead of taking issue with a specific statement, you decided to attack a strawman of your own making.  So instead of attacking us for ignorance, respond to actual posts...

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ask996 | High School Teacher | (Level 1) Senior Educator

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My heart goes out to the victims of the earthquake, but I have no doubt the United States of America will do what we have always done. We will step up and offer aid. Our country has always looked out for the underdog--"Give me your tired, your poor,/ your huddled masses yearning to breathe free." That is one of the things that makes our country great. Unfortunately, I do not have a lot of faith that those who most need the money and aid will receive all of it, and I predict that many of Haitia’s political people in power will be wealthier when all is said and done.

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lrwilliams | College Teacher | (Level 1) Educator

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It is a terrible tragedy, I agree that right now the focus needs to be on helping the injured. However after the recovery process I feel that there needs to be some oversight as to how to rebuild the infrastructure in a way that may keep more people safe if another earthquake occurs. It would also be a good time to try to raise some of the people out of poverty.

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bullgatortail | High School Teacher | (Level 1) Distinguished Educator

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I agree with Post #4. Sending billions of dollars to Haiti to help the nation rebuild is one thing; but when the corrupt government uses the money for other matters and then wastes the remaining money to rebuild the same shoddy structures that collapsed so easily, it's a waste of American resources as well.

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scarletpimpernel | High School Teacher | (Level 1) Educator Emeritus

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In addition to sending money, we have to do a better job of tracking how that money is being spent.  Since 1993, we have sent over 3 billion dollars to Haiti, and no one seems to know where it went.  It certainly was not going toward reinforcing infrastructures and making the people safe.  I'm all for helping the Haitians out, but we must also ensure that those who truly need the help are getting it, not some corrupt thug-like leaders.

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Somehow, we need to figure out how to get Haiti out of its poverty, because that's what really caused the problems.  Earthquakes don't kill that many people when there are decent buildings...  But so far either we don't know how to do aid properly or the Haitians don't know how to develop their economy and government or both.  Until we figure this problem out, anything we do will just be a Band-Aid, not a real fix.

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I hope this doesn't sound too rude, but citizens of the richest country in the world specifying what one of the poorest countries in the world should do is likely to be full of ignorance.

Of course they would like to construct buildings that resist earthquakes, but that is a) expensive and b) advanced. Haiti is niether of these things.

I've lived in very poor countries for several years and I know that my friends and associates back in The West simply do not understand the situation. Put simply... they do not have the infrastructure that America has; Not physically, not educationally, not socially, not relating to stability, nor security, nor democracy... The lifestyle in Haiti is something you can't imagine unless you have spent an extended period in a poverty-striken 3rd world country.

Please understand, these countries are nothing like America.

 

(and ask996... --"Give me your tired, your poor,/ your huddled masses yearning to breathe free." That is one of the things that makes our country great.  Is that why we deport so many Mexicans?)

Haiti is what first the French did and then what America did. You need to read up on some of the history of this poor neglected country. I suggest you read the following and at the same time remember that it was the US who shoved out the elected Aristide and shuffled him to the Central African Republic....and believe me there are many more along the same vein.

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v26/n08/paul-farmer/who-removed-aristide

After which the country went into decline with American sponsored 'heads of state' with the help of that very famous American institution that trains terrorists to destroy other governments which are not 'approved' of by the United States. For sure they trained many to destabilize Haiti.

You really do need a lesson in REAL history instead of the lies your government consistenly puts out as 'truth'.

 

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jenny2010 | Student | (Level 2) eNoter

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im not sure that post #8 was attacking your posts specifically merely saying that prehaps america is not going about it in the right way, prehaps not being able to understand the situation, not you specifically mind you just america and other developed countries as a whole. i feel that ,yes haiti needs our help, but also that we shouldnt feel that we can just swoop in, take over and the country will be just dandy again, we made that mistake with afganistan and iraq. they need long term help, and need to be shown how to use the money.

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frizzyperm | College Teacher | (Level 1) Educator

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I hope this doesn't sound too rude, but citizens of the richest country in the world specifying what one of the poorest countries in the world should do is likely to be full of ignorance.

Of course they would like to construct buildings that resist earthquakes, but that is a) expensive and b) advanced. Haiti is niether of these things.

I've lived in very poor countries for several years and I know that my friends and associates back in The West simply do not understand the situation. Put simply... they do not have the infrastructure that America has; Not physically, not educationally, not socially, not relating to stability, nor security, nor democracy... The lifestyle in Haiti is something you can't imagine unless you have spent an extended period in a poverty-striken 3rd world country.

Please understand, these countries are nothing like America.

 

(and ask996... --"Give me your tired, your poor,/ your huddled masses yearning to breathe free." That is one of the things that makes our country great.  Is that why we deport so many Mexicans?)

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sfg13165 | Student, College Freshman | (Level 2) Honors

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Somehow, we need to figure out how to get Haiti out of its poverty, because that's what really caused the problems.  Earthquakes don't kill that many people when there are decent buildings...  But so far either we don't know how to do aid properly or the Haitians don't know how to develop their economy and government or both.  Until we figure this problem out, anything we do will just be a Band-Aid, not a real fix.

I agree with you 100% and yes they are below the poverty line. I think that us Americans should help our fellow Haitians, and help build them more Structured buildings and Clinics. I read an article and it talked about how the Orphange was destroyed and the children, including the little Babies had to sleep outside. That is so devasting to read about.

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