Do you recognize that God gains pleasure in creating evil?Do you recognize that God gains pleasure in creating evil?  Revelation 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and...

Do you recognize that God gains pleasure in creating evil?

Do you recognize that God gains pleasure in creating evil?

 Revelation 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

 This quote indicates that the creation of evil is an ongoing process by God and that he creates evil for his pleasure. This makes sense in that God would not create something that he did not want in the world or that would displease him.

 As a Gnostic Christian, I recognize that the concept of God is all myth.

 Literal and historic belief did not generally come about till about the years 80. 50 years after the death of Jesus. In fact, Jesus was not declared divine till the Trinity concept was accepted, by the force of Constantine in 380.

 Having said this, I recognize why the ancient thinkers would say that God is pleased when he creates evil in the world.

 Do you understand how and why God gains pleasure from creating evil and sin?

 If not, why do you think God would create evil and sin for his displeasure?

 If God does not do or create evil as some think, then who else has the power to create evil?

 Regards

DL

 

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literaturenerd | High School Teacher | (Level 2) Educator Emeritus

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I have to agree with the posts which bring up free will. God, for those who believe in him, allows mankind the choice to live a righteous life or a sinful life. Regardless of one's beliefs, it is not my place to disregard their religion. The minute I do so is the minute another is "allowed" to disregard my personal beliefs.

Essentially, I do not think God revels in sin, any more than Satan revels in good deeds.

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rrteacher | College Teacher | (Level 2) Educator Emeritus

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If God did not allow for evil then free will would be meaningless, because the range of options for human behavior would be severely limited. In any case, while I'm sure most of us are aware of the history of the Gospels, it is unclear how any of this should affect one's personal faith. I am not a person of faith myself, but I do not begrudge others their opinions, nor would I suggest that I "know" anything is a myth. Finally, I wonder if the word "pleasure" doesn't carry a different connotation in the passage from Revelations than we use it today. In some contexts, it can mean something closer to "permission." 

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pohnpei397 | College Teacher | (Level 3) Distinguished Educator

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So, if God is a myth, I wonder why it matters what other people think about God.

I also think that there is little point in trying to pin certain ideas on God because of the way that someone in England centuries ago used a particular word in translating the ideas written down about God by someone over a thousand years previous.    I don't think "pleasure" is supposed to mean that God says "yeah, evil, and sin.  I love it!"  I think it means that that is how God wanted the universe to be because that is what he thought was right.  

As a parent, it gives me no pleasure when I give my kids independence and they misuse it.  But I still give them independence so they can have the chance to use it right.  Maybe God is the same way.

 

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If God did not allow for evil then free will would be meaningless, because the range of options for human behavior would be severely limited. In any case, while I'm sure most of us are aware of the history of the Gospels, it is unclear how any of this should affect one's personal faith. I am not a person of faith myself, but I do not begrudge others their opinions, nor would I suggest that I "know" anything is a myth. Finally, I wonder if the word "pleasure" doesn't carry a different connotation in the passage from Revelations than we use it today. In some contexts, it can mean something closer to "permission." 

rrteacher

You are correct but as I indicated above, the notion of God ending evil would include ending free will.

I have put some links above to show why you should begrudge others their opinions. If you do not then you have no social conscience.

You also say that most are aware of the history of the Gospels.

Let me simply say. B. S.

Check the stats to see just how ignorant most are of their faiths and you will see that it is those without a faith that are the knowledgeable ones.

Regards

DL

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