Devil in garden of edenCould we say may be God has challenges in dealing with devil for he couldn't keep him out of this paradise,holly garden of Eden to protect Adam and Eve?

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Noelle Thompson | High School Teacher | eNotes Employee

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God has "challenges dealing with the devil"?  God is all-powerful and omnipotent; therefore, challenges are not applicable.  No, the issue is that God gave us so much freedom, ... that we even have the free will to reject Him!  in His vast love, how sad He must become when we do reject Him!  (All of us do this, so much of the time!)  : (  This included even the angel named Lucifer who did, in fact, rebel against God and was thrown into hell as a result.  I love how wannam worded it:  "The Devil is man's challenge not God's."

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One way to understand the presence of the Devil in the Garden of Eden is to say that when he rebelled against God in Heaven and was cast out, he was given authority over the physical "world," or what we now call the universe. As such--the authoritative Power over the "world"--the Devil had a prior claim to the location of the Garden of Eden. In other words, he was there first. This perspective explains the Devils presence and power and authority even while raising the question of: "Well, then, why did God choose the Devil's home turf, so to speak, for the abode of Adam and Eve and the location of the Garden of Eden?" That takes us out of the frying pan and into the fire, as they say (out of one big problem into an even bigger problem!!).

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wannam | High School Teacher | (Level 3) Educator

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The Devil is man's challenge not God's.  God handled the devil when he was the angel Lucifer in heaven.  Lucifer was thrown down and cast out.  If God had wanted to keep the Devil out of the Garden of Eden, he could have.  But, God allowed man to have free will.  That makes the Devil our challenge.  Adam and Eve did not handle the challenge in the way that God would have chosen for them.  That doesn't mean that God failed to protect Adam and Eve; it means that Adam and Eve failed to accept God's protect.

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bigdreams1 | High School Teacher | (Level 1) Associate Educator

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On this point, I must agree with much of what my fellow posters have said. I believe God is more powerful than the Devil. If you believe church teachings...the Devil is an angel who tried to become as powerful as God. God threw him out of heaven (along with his minions who became demons) for his disobedience. So, it is clear that God is the more powerful of the two.

 I don't think he had any challenges in keeping Satan out of the garden. It seems clear that God allowed Satan in to tempt Adam and Eve.

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literaturenerd | High School Teacher | (Level 2) Educator Emeritus

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I must agree with all of the postings. The Devil was not in the Garden to tempt God. He was in the Devil to tempt God's creation. God had no intent, my words, to "protect" Adam and Eve. He told them not to touch the fruit, or the tree. He allowed them free will. The Devil took advantage of this- a point where he knew man would be weak.

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We need to remember that one of God's principal and defining characteristics is that he is omnipotent, or all powerful. This means that the presence of the devil in the Garden of Eden cannot be a sign of God's limitations or lack of power, by definition. Rather, I think we can relate this issue to the question of free will. For God to have a relationship with us without us choosing to have that relationship would be like him creating robots who are programmed to love Him. It would be meaningless. Rather, the presence of the devil means that the humans have to make a choice of whether they will follow God and his laws or not.

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missy575 | High School Teacher | (Level 1) Educator Emeritus

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To add to post #3, God made man with free will on purpose. This is a major tenant of their faith because that choice means that those who follow God will not have been forced to do so because of the society they live in or the dictatorial approach of many other "gods" of other religions. The Devil plays an important role in Christianity to play the other choice so that Christians will want to choose God.

Many references in the bible demonstrate the Christian God to be a jealous God. He longs for relationship with his followers. If you wanted to question God's challenges of the Devil, you should also look at the temptation of Christ (God's son, but also God in human form) in Matthew 4:1-11.

The Devil tries to challenge God.

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To Christians, at least, it is heresy to say that God cannot control the Devil.  At least, it is heresy to say that the Devil is the equal of God in power.

I do not believe that God truly wanted to keep the devil out of the lives of human beings.  He needed the devil to be with people so that people would have a choice.  There is no merit in choosing good if evil is not present.  Therefore, God needed to have Satan be present so humans could actually choose to follow God.

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litteacher8 | High School Teacher | (Level 3) Distinguished Educator

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I don't know if you would interpret the devil as a challenge for God.  The devil is there to tempt the humans.  They are deemed unworthy if they succumb to him.  After all, God warns Adam not to touch the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

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mylord123 | (Level 2) Honors

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One way to understand the presence of the Devil in the Garden of Eden is to say that when he rebelled against God in Heaven and was cast out, he was given authority over the physical "world," or what we now call the universe. As such--the authoritative Power over the "world"--the Devil had a prior claim to the location of the Garden of Eden. In other words, he was there first. This perspective explains the Devils presence and power and authority even while raising the question of: "Well, then, why did God choose the Devil's home turf, so to speak, for the abode of Adam and Eve and the location of the Garden of Eden?" That takes us out of the frying pan and into the fire, as they say (out of one big problem into an even bigger problem!!).

Thank you for all your amazing comments.

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mylord123 | (Level 2) Honors

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The Devil is man's challenge not God's.  God handled the devil when he was the angel Lucifer in heaven.  Lucifer was thrown down and cast out.  If God had wanted to keep the Devil out of the Garden of Eden, he could have.  But, God allowed man to have free will.  That makes the Devil our challenge.  Adam and Eve did not handle the challenge in the way that God would have chosen for them.  That doesn't mean that God failed to protect Adam and Eve; it means that Adam and Eve failed to accept God's protect.

Thank you, I pray that God should print his truth in our hearts as it gets revealed unto all of us.

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mylord123 | (Level 2) Honors

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On this point, I must agree with much of what my fellow posters have said. I believe God is more powerful than the Devil. If you believe church teachings...the Devil is an angel who tried to become as powerful as God. God threw him out of heaven (along with his minions who became demons) for his disobedience. So, it is clear that God is the more powerful of the two.

 I don't think he had any challenges in keeping Satan out of the garden. It seems clear that God allowed Satan in to tempt Adam and Eve.

My spiritual eyes are starting to open. Keep helping thanks.

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mylord123 | (Level 2) Honors

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To add to post #3, God made man with free will on purpose. This is a major tenant of their faith because that choice means that those who follow God will not have been forced to do so because of the society they live in or the dictatorial approach of many other "gods" of other religions. The Devil plays an important role in Christianity to play the other choice so that Christians will want to choose God.

Many references in the bible demonstrate the Christian God to be a jealous God. He longs for relationship with his followers. If you wanted to question God's challenges of the Devil, you should also look at the temptation of Christ (God's son, but also God in human form) in Matthew 4:1-11.

The Devil tries to challenge God.

Stay blessed will keep posting the confusing issues in my soul.

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mylord123 | (Level 2) Honors

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To Christians, at least, it is heresy to say that God cannot control the Devil.  At least, it is heresy to say that the Devil is the equal of God in power.

I do not believe that God truly wanted to keep the devil out of the lives of human beings.  He needed the devil to be with people so that people would have a choice.  There is no merit in choosing good if evil is not present.  Therefore, God needed to have Satan be present so humans could actually choose to follow God.

Thank you very much for your ideas, you are blessed.

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mylord123 | (Level 2) Honors

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I don't know if you would interpret the devil as a challenge for God.  The devil is there to tempt the humans.  They are deemed unworthy if they succumb to him.  After all, God warns Adam not to touch the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

God bless you.

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