concept of west about islami think islam is constantly degrading courtest western media.muslims are looked down upon by many people in the world.i mean people have to understand what muslims...

concept of west about islam

i think islam is constantly degrading courtest western media.muslims are looked down upon by many people in the world.i mean people have to understand what muslims are.they should look to the good one and not search for the bad ones.they should look for the basic idea of islam and not follow those who are muslims just by name.the best thing is just to look into the history of spain and one would understand what are the true moral and social values of muslims

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e-martin | College Teacher | (Level 1) Educator Emeritus

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All large population groups in the world are viewed with some innaccuracy and probably a whole set of biases when looked at by "outsiders". This is true of Texans looking at New Yorkers, South Americans looking at North Americans, Christians looking and Muslims and Muslims looking at Christians.

This doesn't mean that it's hard to find a Texan that loves New York. Maybe with a shift of emphasis, we can see the fact of prejudice as a side-note to the larger fact of universal humanity.

I think we're all only as righteous as we are sympathetic.

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rrteacher | College Teacher | (Level 2) Educator Emeritus

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Poster #3 should use the word "we" more carefully, as he doesn't speak for me, and certainly not the West in general. In fact, I think most of the original poster's suspicions are confirmed by this post. I do not trust or especially like fanatics of any creed, and there are many within the Muslim world. Whether Islam is inherently aggressive, I don't know, but it seems to me that the average person in the Muslim world has probably felt the effects of western capitalism, including American consumer culture, far more than I have any effects of Muslim expansionism. In short, I don't agree that Islam is defined by radical Islamism.

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pohnpei397 | College Teacher | (Level 3) Distinguished Educator

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There is certainly a problem with Muslims being misunderstood in the West.  Of course, this is somewhat normal, just as it is not that surprising that Americans and other Westerners are misunderstood in the Muslim world.  I think that both the Muslim world and the West are too quick to mistrust each other and think the worst of each other.

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hajmur | Student, Undergraduate | (Level 3) eNoter

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im pretty sure over 29% of rapes are done by someone that is known to the victim

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najm1947 | Elementary School Teacher | (Level 1) Valedictorian

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In reply to post 13, I would say Burka is not mandatory in Islam. The followers of Islam are required to be modest - both men and women. Covering of face by women is not a part of this modesty and by that way they are not required to hide their identity. We must not impose our will, likes and dislikes on others. If someone does not like something then he/she is allowed to go is/her way. Muslims are not allowed to force others to convert but all Muslims, men and women, are required to follow Quran and observe modesty.

Modesty is valued in all cultures and we must learn to respect the values of other cultures. If nudity is acceptable in certain public places to west as a part of their culture then modesty should be acceptable as a part of Islamic culture. Why double standards?

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wanderista | Student, Grade 11 | (Level 2) Valedictorian

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I'm not going to refer to America, Australia etc. as 'Westerners' as this colloquial term is just too ambiguous.

The majority of Americans do not like how the Islam religion treats women, and hides them in huge burka suites that hide their identity. I believe, and a lot of other people believe that women have the right to be able to do as they wish. Even considering the fact that if a man rapes a woman, it is the womans fault for tempting him. These principles ruin the majority of peoples view on the Islam culture.

Also, like post 3 said, forcing beliefs onto others diminishes the values of Islam. By shoving the religion into peoples faces, or asking them to read the Qur'an, people get angry as Islam folk aren't respecting their beliefs.

Finally, the bombing of the Twin Towers have made a very negative impact on the Islam religion. The actions of a few rebellious people can defame a whole culture or society.

Of course, every religion, culture and so on has their flaws and values that people aren't comfortable with. It seems that Islam's flaws have been highlighted above all else. A great start to ending this prejudice would be to give women more rights and to ban the mandatory burka policies. That would be my opinion.

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najm1947 | Elementary School Teacher | (Level 1) Valedictorian

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In repose to 11, I would only say that most of the present day Muslims have forgotten the God and they must remember the warning by the God:

O ye who believe! reverence God and let look to what it sends forward for the morrow.

And reverence God. Surely God is aware of what you do.

And be not like those who forget God so that He causes them to forget their own souls.

They are the people who are disobedient.

Not alike are the companions of the fire and the companions of the Garden:

The companions of the garden are the people who triumph.(Quran 59:18-20)

Surely such people are bringing bad name to Islam.

However, In response to comment at 1 above I will say that you do not know Quran and therefore you do not know Islam hence please learn Quran first.

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frizzyperm | College Teacher | (Level 1) Educator

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Muslims want the west to judge Islam by the 'perfect' concept of Islam. But the west judges Islam by the history (both past and present) of its believers. We do not like the way Islam treats women and non-believers. I am not sure what you mean when you talk about the 'true moral and social values of muslims' because every muslim has a different opinion about this. But Islam is currently very aggressive and we feel threatened by it. Islam does not seem to want to share the planet, rather it would like to conquer it, in the name of a God that we do not believe in. Therefore we oppose that.

my brother let me tell u something,u told me about ur social values and about women rights,if i am not mistaken most probably u are talking about PARDA,and hijab etc,so do u know that in america what is the rape percentage and let me tell u smething interesting,29 percent of total rapes is commited by relatives,friends or known ones.plz think about it.what is the reason behind it.and u tell about muslims being aggresive,tell me one thing god forbids if someone is trying to invade ur house,murder ur sisters and mother,plz tell me what will be ur reaction.plz do tell me

1) In islam, a husband can't be judged to have raped his wife, which is appalling.

2) In islamic countries, rape victims are often mistreated by the courts and even forced to marry their attacker, so rape victims often are to scared to report it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulnaz

3) According to google's statistics, from the top ten countries which search the most for pornography, six are muslim. And the top 3 are Pakistan, Egypt and Iran. Arabic is the 2nd most common language for searching for 'gay sex', (after English). And Muslim countries search for 'rape' porn more than any other group.

http://ahmadiyyatimes.blogspot.com/2010/07/pakistan-no-1-nation-in-sexy-web.html

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_(Pornography)

4) Islamic women are an opressed minority and they suffer in silence. Domestic violence and sexual abuse is considered a 'very private matter' and women have no-one to turn to. Most islamic countries have not bothered to produce statistics on domestic violence, but a report from Turkey found that 4 out of 10 women are beaten by their husbands, ("Domestic Violence against Women in Turkey,”) Even more disturbing, the study reveals that almost 90% of abused women do not seek help from any organization. And Turkey is quite an advanced Muslim country. God knows what goes on behind closed doors in more 'traditional' countries.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3667349.stm

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zaraqkhan142 | Student, Undergraduate | (Level 2) eNoter

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Muslims want the west to judge Islam by the 'perfect' concept of Islam. But the west judges Islam by the history (both past and present) of its believers. We do not like the way Islam treats women and non-believers. I am not sure what you mean when you talk about the 'true moral and social values of muslims' because every muslim has a different opinion about this. But Islam is currently very aggressive and we feel threatened by it. Islam does not seem to want to share the planet, rather it would like to conquer it, in the name of a God that we do not believe in. Therefore we oppose that.

my brother let me tell u something,u told me about ur social values and about women rights,if i am not mistaken most probably u are talking about PARDA,and hijab etc,so do u know that in america what is the rape percentage and let me tell u smething interesting,29 percent of total rapes is commited by relatives,friends or known ones.plz think about it.what is the reason behind it.and u tell about muslims being aggresive,tell me one thing god forbids if someone is trying to invade ur house,murder ur sisters and mother,plz tell me what will be ur reaction.plz do tell me

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najm1947 | Elementary School Teacher | (Level 1) Valedictorian

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 well Frizzyperm, you can claim anything you like “we have the best formula for society today” but I cannot buy it, and not for my bias but for the contradictions in your posts of which an example is given in my post 5.

You do not have any knowledge about Quran because you say, “I don't like the Koran and I don't want the Koran” In your post 24 “Origin of Life”. Your figures are all over the place when you say, “a book that was spoken to a scribe 1600+ years ago” in your post 93 “Proof of God’s Existence”.

You cannot talk on behalf of everyone as cautioned in post 4 above to use the word "we" more carefully.

I would not like to comment on your opinion in the given situation. Let it be your desire what you said in post 7.

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frizzyperm | College Teacher | (Level 1) Educator

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There are millions of people from Muslim countries who are desperate to emigrate to western countries to try and start and new life. There are few westerners desperate to escape the west to live a life in muslims countries.

Sorry, but we have the best formula for society available today. We should be proud of that. It's not perfect by any means, but it is superior to Islamic rule. We should respect people who live in Islamic countries enough to want to liberate them. And if you look at the last 18 months, you can see that they are desperate to throw off the oppressive systems that their culture has produced.

Even though this will produce howls of protest... Western Christianity is very nearly dead. The west has escaped its primitive and misogynistic religious structure and created something much, much better through the processes of human reason. I want the same for people who are oppressed by Islam. Religion is a mind-forged manacle that is based on the false assumption that an angry, watchful super-being monitors everything we do and gave us a fixed set of laws to live by. That is simply not true and it has caused untold damage and misery. The Koran is merely one man's opinions from the dark ages of histroy, it should not be allowed to dominate a billion peoples' lives. THAT is the modern, western opinion of Islam.

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najm1947 | Elementary School Teacher | (Level 1) Valedictorian

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PS:

I would request every nation to live and let others live - in peace. And Let us end the terrorism with peace.

And good and evil are not the equals of each other.

Repel (evil) with that which is better and lo! he between whom and thee there was enmity shall be as if he was (thy) warm friend.

And none attain this except those who persevere.

And none attain this except those possessed of great fortune. (Quran 41:34-35)

These are the words of God and are true for all times to come.

It needs very strong will of nations and followers of religions and evolutionism. I would say we can bring peace only if we follow our religions completely and evolve in to humans completely.

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najm1947 | Elementary School Teacher | (Level 1) Valedictorian

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In response to 3:

But the west judges Islam by the history (both past and present) of its believers. – Frizzyperm

I would like to quote frizzyperm from his post 91 on “Proof of God’s Existence” for the past:

The original Crusaders were a smelly bunch of murderous, ignorant, barbarian hooligans who smashed up an advanced civilisation because they believed their God wanted them to (without any proof). - Frizzyperm

And it did not end here. The killings in WW-II were not by Muslims. Nuclear Bombs were not used by Muslims, Iraq was not invaded by Muslims on false alarm of WMDs. Afghanistan was not used by Muslims to disintegrate USSR and Native Americans were not exterminated by Muslims. Everyone knows the culprits who were responsible.

But Islam is currently very aggressive and we feel threatened by it. Islam does not seem to want to share the planet, rather it would like to conquer it, in the name of a God that we do not believe in. Therefore we oppose that.– Frizzyperm

I do not know why these comments are made, especially when none of the Muslim states are in a position to get in to aggression and one can clearly see the America desire of expansionism evident from aggression on Iraq and Afghanistan and threats to Iran. So let’s be true about history (past and present).

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frizzyperm | College Teacher | (Level 1) Educator

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Muslims want the west to judge Islam by the 'perfect' concept of Islam. But the west judges Islam by the history (both past and present) of its believers. We do not like the way Islam treats women and non-believers. I am not sure what you mean when you talk about the 'true moral and social values of muslims' because every muslim has a different opinion about this. But Islam is currently very aggressive and we feel threatened by it. Islam does not seem to want to share the planet, rather it would like to conquer it, in the name of a God that we do not believe in. Therefore we oppose that.

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