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    <title>A Valediction: Forbidding Mourning Group at eNotes</title>
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        <title><![CDATA[Discuss what Donne means by &quot;laity&quot; in the second...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Discuss what Donne means by &quot;laity&quot; in the second stanza:'Twere profanation of our joys      To tell the laity our love.  Laity are the common people, a term which is typically resevered for the clergy.  The speaker is elevating the passion between himself and the beloved to the religious.  It is such a complex emotion that to try to describe it to ordinary people would &quot;profane&quot; the love, lessening and distorting...]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 05:58:40 PST</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[What representations of love are good to discuss in &quot;A Valediction...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[What representations of love are good to discuss in &quot;A Valediction Forbidding Mourning&quot;?]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 02:10:21 PST</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[In the first two stanzas, Donne tells his wife that they should part...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[In the first two stanzas, Donne tells his wife that they should part quietly as virtuous men die (because they're not afraid of where they'll go next or their future)--no crying should cheapen their love and marriage.  He tells her their love is strong and gives support throughout the rest of the poem. Moving of th' earth brings harms and fears,Men reckon what it did, and meant;But trepidation of the spheres,Though greater far, is...]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 06:03:29 PST</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[The speaker is referring to  metaphysical ideas that were popular in...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[The speaker is referring to  metaphysical ideas that were popular in Donne's time.  There was a belief that earthquakes, the &quot;moving of the earth&quot; was a herald or sign  of worse things to come.  It was believed that earthquakes could portend great misfortune to come, but the speaker goes on to say that &quot;trepidation of the spheres&quot; or the movement of the heavenly bodies is not harmful.  This is the second idea that...]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 05:28:37 PST</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[The third stanza of the poem, which includes lines 9-12, compares...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[The third stanza of the poem, which includes lines 9-12, compares dramatic upheavals on earth and in heaven.  Lines 9-10 address these upheavals on earth, specifically as they are manifest in earthquakes (&quot;moving of th' earth&quot; - line 9).  The poet is saying that these phenomenon bring fear and wonder to men and cause great destruction and turmoil, but upheavals in the heavens (&quot;trepidation of the spheres&quot; - line 11),...]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 23:25:25 PST</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[What is a summary for lines 9-10 of John Donne's poem, &quot;A...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[What is a summary for lines 9-10 of John Donne's poem, &quot;A Valediction Forbidding Mourning&quot;? ]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:21:15 PST</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[The metaphysical poets were also known for their use of conceits, using...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[The metaphysical poets were also known for their use of conceits, using an extended metaphor as the basis for the poem in order to make an argument.  In &quot;Valediction&quot;, Donne uses the image of a compass in order to explain that the souls of himself and his beloved will always remained joined,  no matter what corner of the earth they might separately be at.If they be two, they are two so As stifftwin compasses are two;Thy soul, the...]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:15:08 PST</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[The metaphysical poets wrote poems concerned with metaphysical issues....]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[The metaphysical poets wrote poems concerned with metaphysical issues. That is to say, they wrote about things beyond the natural, rational, and/or empirical world, having to do with the ultimate nature of reality. Donne's poem definitely does this. It starts with the address of the soul in the second line; the humans talked about have souls, and talk to them. That in itself would signal metaphysical concerns. The focus on death moves this...]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:49:15 PST</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Describe how &quot;A Valediction&quot; is a metaphysical poem.]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Describe how &quot;A Valediction&quot; is a metaphysical poem.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:48:59 PST</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[All it means by itself is that something happens while good men die....]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[All it means by itself is that something happens while good men die. The word &quot;As&quot; can be troublesome because without some context we don't know if it connotes &quot;while&quot; or &quot;when&quot; or &quot;because&quot; or &quot;just as.&quot; So it's not good to try to separate one small part of a sentence from its context and try to interpret it on its own. Here is the entire sentence:As virtuous men pass mildly away,And...]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 17:37:53 PST</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[This poem's meaning is in its title:  A Valediction: Forbidding...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[This poem's meaning is in its title:  A Valediction: Forbidding Mourning.  Vale= Latin for &quot;farewell&quot; and Diction= &quot;speaking&quot;.  Thus, &quot;A speaking farewell but forbidding mourning&quot;.  Knowing this, the first line of the poem makes so much more sense.  In this first stanza, Donne writes of a funeral.  Virtuous men pass mildly away into the next life because they do not fear what is on the other side.  They are...]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 17:34:54 PST</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Describe the first line of the poem, &quot;A Valediction: Forbidding...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Describe the first line of the poem, &quot;A Valediction: Forbidding Mourning.&quot;]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 17:19:29 PST</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Donne achieves this through his use of comparison; for example, he...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Donne achieves this through his use of comparison; for example, he compares the love of the narrator and his lover to a compass, with her being the stationary foot and he being the foot that moves.  He will eventually return to her, as the compass' moving foot will join with its stationary foot, etc.  Through complex comparisons and through biblical allusions, Donne is able to address the many levels of love and &quot;Christian belief,&quot;...]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Tue, 1 Apr 2008 19:17:19 PST</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[There are several--the speaker compares the love he and his wife share...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[There are several--the speaker compares the love he and his wife share to a compass and to gold.  These are examples of metaphorical conceits--extended metaphors or comparisons between two items that at first seem to have absolutely nothing in common.  The compass, an instrument used to draw circles, is used because the speaker is leaving his wife on a trip.  She is the fixed foot who stays at home while he is the part of the compass who...]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:05:42 PST</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[What are the figures of speech of the poem, &quot;A Valediction:...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[What are the figures of speech of the poem, &quot;A Valediction: Forbidding Mourning&quot;? ]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:53:30 PST</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[How are the values of different levels of love, christian belief and...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[How are the values of different levels of love, christian belief and patriarchal society reveled throughout Donnes' context in A Valediction? ]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 03:12:26 PST</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[One obvious thematic idea is to face life's limitations (in this...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[One obvious thematic idea is to face life's limitations (in this case, separation from a loved one) with strength. He is instructing his wife to disregard sadness by forbidding her to mourn. Why? Because their love is so strong, and so infinite, it really isn't a separation at all, but an &quot;expansion&quot; (stanza 6, ln. 21). Donne famously makes use of a &quot;conceit&quot; in this poem, which is an extended or exaggerated metaphor. In...]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:00:00 PST</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[John Donne wrote the poem &quot;A Valediction: Forbidding Mourning&quot;...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[John Donne wrote the poem &quot;A Valediction: Forbidding Mourning&quot; for his wife before leaving on a trip. In it, scholars have found allusions to religious belief, to death, and to science. On the surface, though, he is telling his wife not to be sad because he is leaving. Their love is not like that of ordinary people, the &quot;dull sublunary lovers.&quot; He says that these kinds of lovers can't stand to be apart because their love is...]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Fri, 4 Jan 2008 10:34:47 PST</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[What are the themes in &quot;A Valediction: Forbidding Mourning&quot;?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[What are the themes in &quot;A Valediction: Forbidding Mourning&quot;?]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Fri, 4 Jan 2008 09:29:36 PST</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[This is such a great poem!  You have a wonderful answer, but in...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[This is such a great poem!  You have a wonderful answer, but in addition to this, Donne uses the metaphysical conceit (an extended metaphor between two extremely unalike items) to lessen the blow of separation as well.  There are two metaphysical conceits in the poem.  The first is their love compared to a compass.  He tells his wife that their love will not weaken because she is the fixed/pointed foot of the compass who leans toward him...]]></description>
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