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Topic: Would you agree that Macbeth is not equal to the struggle with fate and conscience?

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madi40

Would you agree that Macbeth is unequal to struggle with fate and conscience? Please explain your answer.

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I may be missing something, but to what or to whom is he unequal? Are you asking whether he has a conscience? I need a little more detail. 

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madi40

In reply to #2:

i mean would you agree that macbeth was 'not equal to the struggle with fate and conscience'. i hope you it's okay.

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I'm not sure I quite understand your question, but I certainly think Macbeth is having issues with fate bs. conscience.  Fate tells him that he will be king, and he knows that it can't be because of his family relationship to Duncan.  For that end, he must get rid of Duncan and his sons in order to meet fate; hence, he plots to and finally does assassinate Duncan.

Conscience, on the other hand, tells him that it's not cool to kill a king who has been a good king to the country and to Macbeth personally.

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I think I can give my opinion on your question. I don't think Macbeth can struggle with conscience because he seems not to have one. He wants to be king so much that he interprets all of the witches prophecies as being in his favor. He tries to change fate by killing anybody who is in his way to attaining the throne. Today we might call him a sociopath.

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Macbeth THINKS he is up to the challenge by facing off with the witches...look at how he goes from "asking" them for more information to "demanding" it in later meetings.  However, the weird sisters (instruments of fate of all humans) enjoy toying with people.  They intentionally mislead him...give him false security...in their apparitions.  He is doomed from the beginning when up against fate once he decides to "stir" things up instead of waiting for "chance to make him King".

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tsentell

Macbeth at the outset of the play is an admirable man--a good warrior and a man of good conscience. His encounter with fate in the form of the three weird sisters is the beginning of his downfall. He had the hubris to believe he could be king, as they told him, but to achieve that he would have to eliminate Duncan whom he cared for and owed loyalty to. His ambitions for the throne are stoked by his wife when there is the merest suggestion of opportunity.

And yet, his conscience is close by. His reluctance to kill Duncan draws us to him in sympathy and it is this conscience that makes him sympathetic to us to the end of the play.

It is this visceral struggle with himself that is so appealling to us.We see him again and again being given promises that are true literally but for one so wonderfully confident in himself, he cannot see behind the surface truth and discern the tricks that "fate" is playing on him.

The parrallel to Oedipus is striking. Macbeth knows he should not proceed  and yet his ego impels him just as Oedipus is told by all around him not ot proceed yet he does, as well.

Each has followed his own will and not the machinations of the gods. 

It is this human will that makes them so appealling to us. We too have will and make choices that define the trajectory of our own lives.  That is why we are fascinated and involved with their struggles.

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