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WW1 NovelistsDoes anyone know if Ernest Raymond actually fought in WWI. He was 26 when...

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alisdavidson | High School Teacher | eNoter

Posted September 1, 2011 at 5:06 PM via web

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Does anyone know if Ernest Raymond actually fought in WWI. He was 26 when it started, so it seems quite likely, but I can't find out. (Is his account of the Gallipoli campaign based on experience?)

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accessteacher | High School Teacher | (Level 3) Distinguished Educator

Posted September 1, 2011 at 9:02 PM (Answer #2)

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I have just spent a rather frustrating ten minutes trying to find more information about Ernest Raymond and his life on the internet, without much success. I have found vague references to the fact that he served in WWI, but unfortunately there is no source that I would reagard as being reliable that I can find. Certainly his vivid descriptions would lead one to think that he had been involved in WWI.

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amy-lepore | High School Teacher | (Level 1) Educator Emeritus

Posted September 1, 2011 at 10:53 PM (Answer #3)

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I, too, and surprised at the lack of readily available information on this author.  This man would be an excellent choice for someone looking for a doctoral topic!! At any rate, I found many sources which credits him with WWI texts, and the subsequent films, but nothing that confirms 100% (credible or non-credible sources) that he was enlisted or fought as an officer in the armed forces during the war.  I am in agreement with poster #1, however.  The descriptions he included in his texts would support that if he did not actually fight, he was a war correspondent at the very least.  It is hard to conclude that this level of description is purely from imagination.

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alisdavidson | High School Teacher | eNoter

Posted September 2, 2011 at 2:23 AM (Answer #4)

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Thank you access-teacher and amy-lapore. This does at least confirm that the information isn't readily available! This is maddening, as I want to argue either,

a) See how this incredibly positive take on WWI could only be written by someone who never experienced it

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b) How fascinating that someone who knew what he was talking about could still see WWI as glorious. How different, how very different from our own dear Owen.

But I agree his very detailed account of Gallipoli seems to suggest he at least knew participants.

 

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K.P.L. Hardison | College Teacher | eNotes Employee

Posted September 2, 2011 at 2:56 AM (Answer #5)

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LiteraryLondon.org appears a reliable source and has an extensive background on Ernest Raymond. The essay "Past and Present in Ernest Raymond's 'London Gallery'" by Peter Preston specifies that Raymond served in "the First World War. ... as an Anglican army chaplain (he was ordained in 1914) and saw action at Gallipoli and in Egypt, France, the Middle East and Russia, ...." The source, Literary Society of London, is newly established (June 2011) but seems a sound and reliable research source.

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alisdavidson | High School Teacher | eNoter

Posted September 2, 2011 at 7:06 PM (Answer #6)

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Excellent! That would explain the idolising of the rather embarrassing high Anglican priest. This is so helpful! I am extremely grateful.  Alison D

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vangoghfan | College Teacher | (Level 2) Educator Emeritus

Posted September 3, 2011 at 4:37 PM (Answer #7)

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A good way to look for material on Ernest Raymond is to search for him in Google Books.  Apparently he wrote at least one autobiographical work, and his name turns up in many other monographs. (See last link below, which seems the most valuable for your purposes.)  Here's a good starting point:

http://www.google.com/search?q=ernest%20raymond%20biography&hl=en&prmd=ivnso&biw=1138&bih=498&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbo=u&tbm=bks&source=og&sa=N&tab=wp

Three references to Raymond appear in this source from 1922:

http://books.google.com/books?id=HIYeAQAAMAAJ&pg=PP12&dq=ernest+raymond+biography&hl=en&ei=SihjTs3HO9LAtgejlIHrCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CEwQ6AEwBzge#v=onepage&q=ernest%20raymond&f=false

On page 146 of this book occurs a somewhat odd account(by the noted writer A. N. Wilson) of Tell England:

http://books.google.com/books?id=Ju9uFhvfhIIC&pg=PA145&dq=ernest+raymond+biography&hl=en&ei=SihjTs3HO9LAtgejlIHrCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CFAQ6AEwCDge#v=onepage&q=ernest%20raymond%20biography&f=false

This source begins to provide a biography of Raymond, but the relevant pages are omitted; perhaps you can get the book itself through interlibrary loan:

http://books.google.com/books?id=7RMNAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA216&dq=ernest+raymond+world+war+I&hl=en&ei=jCljTvqFF4K2twf77PiDCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CEcQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=ernest%20raymond%20world%20war%20I&f=false

This book, on page 17, asserts that Raymond did himself serve at Gallipoli and that he wrote the novel while in the service:

http://books.google.com/books?id=FTMxjsvNkwEC&pg=PA16&dq=ernest+raymond+world+war+I&hl=en&ei=jCljTvqFF4K2twf77PiDCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CFAQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=ernest%20raymond%20world%20war%20I&f=false

Hope this helps!

 

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litteacher8 | Middle School Teacher | (Level 1) Distinguished Educator

Posted September 27, 2011 at 4:57 AM (Answer #8)

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Yes, according to this link he did fight in World War I.  It was interesting that wikipedia did not seem to have much information about him.  I guess we can't rely on wikis for everything these days, now can we?  Here you go:

http://www.rawbw.com/~hinshaw/cgi-bin/id?7710

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