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usbummer | High School Teacher | (Level 2) Adjunct Educator

Posted May 26, 2010 at 1:00 PM via web

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Is the United States today too trigger happy with its military?

It seems to me that the United States has become a bit too trigger happy with its military and we seem to be willing to use it when other nations would take a more reserved approach to a problem.

How do you think the world sees us considering this question and do you think the U.S. should worry about that?

I would be interested in seeing your posts.

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bullgatortail | High School Teacher | (Level 1) Distinguished Educator

Posted May 26, 2010 at 2:06 PM (Answer #2)

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Since the U. S. considers itself the world's policeman, our nation certainly does seem quick to involve itself militarily when it sees fit. Our nation's popularity has taken a beating in the international press since our most recent invasion of Iraq, especially since former President George W. Bush's reasons for invading (i.e. presumed weapons of mass destruction) proved unfound. Bush's popularity overseas never neared that of former President Bill Clinton, who was both respected and admired. Hopefully, President Obama's administration will be able to regain some of our lost prestige.

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kapokkid | High School Teacher | (Level 1) Educator Emeritus

Posted May 26, 2010 at 2:45 PM (Answer #3)

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Without a more comprehensive group of constituents and voters with sons and daughters in the military, the political leaders in our country have basically been excused from thinking really hard about when and where to send the folks in uniform.  If we instituted a draft so that more people would think twice about voting for someone who decided to send the military someplace on trumped up evidence or without an exit strategy or without much of a strategy in the first place, I think we'd be in a better position.

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amy-lepore | High School Teacher | (Level 1) Educator Emeritus

Posted May 26, 2010 at 3:59 PM (Answer #4)

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I wouldn't say the US is trigger-happy, but without a strong military and government, we end up like the people in Somalia or Middle Eastern countries where the government has no power, and so consequently, neither do the people.  Rather, the citizens run scared and hide in the shadows because the terrorists who control their countries don't operate with courts and laws or in anyone's best interest but their own...instead, they just shoot you in the head or cut off your hand without proving your guilt or innocence.  Fear is their government.

I know the US is not a perfect country, but I will take it over living in the shadows of a dung hole fearing for my life and the lives of my loved ones as many people in other countries in the world do. 

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pohnpei397 | College Teacher | (Level 3) Distinguished Educator

Posted May 26, 2010 at 6:13 PM (Answer #5)

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Other nations take a more reserved approach (if they do) because they either do not care or do not have the military strength that we do.  China takes a more reserved approach - they say "you do whatever you want to your people, just sell us your oil."  Russia does the same, except when it goes and attacks Georgia without any real humanitarian reasons.  You can argue we are not "trigger-happy" enough since we let all sorts of bad things go on (like the Rwanda genocide and the stuff in Darfur).

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missy575 | High School Teacher | (Level 1) Educator Emeritus

Posted May 26, 2010 at 6:22 PM (Answer #6)

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Absolutely not! We have created too much red tape for our troops abroad. War is very tough. Our current administration has done much to tie the hands of our military so that no innocent life is accidentally taken. What they fail to remember is that the Revolutionary War and the Civil War both fought on our soil sacrificed many innocent men for the causes of justice and righteousness.

The battles we face in Afghanistan and Iraq often contain unidentified soldiers. We expect our military to face the most indistinguishable enemy who consorts with townsfolk while keeping them from from using force. It is a terrible scenario or position to put our men in.

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clairewait | High School Teacher | (Level 1) Educator Emeritus

Posted May 27, 2010 at 4:54 AM (Answer #7)

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I wouldn't say the US is trigger-happy, but without a strong military and government, we end up like the people in Somalia or Middle Eastern countries where the government has no power, and so consequently, neither do the people.  Rather, the citizens run scared and hide in the shadows because the terrorists who control their countries don't operate with courts and laws or in anyone's best interest but their own...instead, they just shoot you in the head or cut off your hand without proving your guilt or innocence.  Fear is their government.

I know the US is not a perfect country, but I will take it over living in the shadows of a dung hole fearing for my life and the lives of my loved ones as many people in other countries in the world do. 

"I know the US is not a perfect country, but I will take it over living in the shadows of a dung hole fearing for my life and the lives of my loved ones as many people in other countries in the world do."

This made me smile.

I also agree with Missy... I do not think there is as much "trigger-happy" action going on right now in Iraq (probably more in Afghanistan, but still not much).  I think our military's presence right now is doing more to maintain peace than their actual shooting and bombing.  I believe we are attempting to assist other countries with as little loss of innocent life as possible.  But a huge part of this depends on that country's participation and willingness to work with us.

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besure77 | Middle School Teacher | (Level 1) Senior Educator

Posted May 27, 2010 at 7:20 AM (Answer #8)

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I do not think that the US is trigger happy. I agree that our military is more on a mission of maintaining peace and order rather that simply being trigger happy. I think that we do have a tendency to involve ourselves in the affairs of other countries but I believe that in the long run it is our best interest. We certainly do not want the world to think that we will sit by and just let things just happen. We also most certainly do not want to appear weak.

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brettd | High School Teacher | (Level 2) Educator Emeritus

Posted May 27, 2010 at 10:10 AM (Answer #9)

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In recent history, I would agree with that assertion, in that our military in the 1980s and in the past decade seemed to be very active invading or attacking other countries without the presence of major threats to our security.

In the 1980s -

Beirut, Lebanon; Invasion of Grenada, Bombing of Libya, Invasion of Panama

In the 2000s -

Invasion of Afghanistan, Invasion of Iraq

Of these I would say that only the invasion of Afghanistan was justified, and these lists don't count the endless amount of military aid and advisers given to the developing world for whatever political or military goals of the time.

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dancer7 | Student , Undergraduate | Honors

Posted May 27, 2010 at 11:54 AM (Answer #10)

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JEEEEEEEZ! What a load of self-righteous propaganda.

America, the perfect, smiling world-policman, bringing peace to the unhappy people who live on dung heaps around the world...

COME ON! Stop telling yourself such utter utter propagnda!

In case you have forgotten, seven years ago, America, pre4sented a load of trumped up charges, demanded a pre-emptive full scale war; smashed its way into Iraq and imposed its will on a country that has lots of Oil. Against the ENTIRE WISHES OF THE ENTIRE WORLD,

It is no wonder the world hates America so much. You kill 300,000+ people in a land grab and then write little love poems to your VERY trigger-happy military.

Policeman of the world??? Excuse me while I go and puke.

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amy-lepore | High School Teacher | (Level 1) Educator Emeritus

Posted May 27, 2010 at 12:04 PM (Answer #11)

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To Post #10:  It wasn't against the wishes of the entire world.  In fact, the countries of the 3000+ who died in the World Trade Center attacks completely supported it. 

I'm sorry you feel the way you do, but I understand there is a severe lack of patriotism in our student population.  Just remember this when you're telling others who do love their country that they're swallowing "utter propaganda"--that military you hate so much?  They and people like them for many generations, have given their lives protecting your right to call the rest of us idiots.

When you're done puking, you might think about why other countries come to the US first when they have huge earthquakes or terrorists they can't control...we are benvolent people and like to help others.  While none of us agrees with the methods all the time, as a current superpower (which under the present economy and liberal agendas, it's doubtful if we'll maintain that position), we are expected to act as watchdog or the world.  Capitalism sometimes gets in the way, but for the most part, the US is the country who comes to everyone else's aide.

Oh, and since today is May 27...be sure you enjoy your Memorial Day weekend.  Maybe you should go wave a flag or something.

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dancer7 | Student , Undergraduate | Honors

Posted May 27, 2010 at 1:03 PM (Answer #12)

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You know, Amy, I have absolutely no idea how to take you seriously. I read your opinions and I am left simply blank. You never cease to amaze me.

You referred to my 'severe lack of patriotism'. Why? Because I don't like it when Americans celebrate being involved in clearly illegal premptive wars??? Is a patriot someone who only nods and smiles?

You said, "the US is the country who comes to everyone else's aide." This is a line from a bad Ridley Scott film, it is certainly not from reality. How you can write it with a straight face, I don't know. Your naive patriotism borders on the infantile.

And, you still haven't explained how your precious, sweet military 'protected my right to call you an idiot' by killing hundreds of thousands of civilians in Iraq. Your world view extends all the way to the white picket fence at the bottom of your garden! You even implied the invasion of Iraq was linked to 9/11 which is... well, words fail me, to be honest.  

Amy, this subject is so serious and your answers are so confidently vacuous that, even if it gets me banned or something, I'm gonna say it; you are perhaps the least independently-minded person I have ever met in my entire life. All your answers are agonisingly second-hand, patriotic, chirpy, god-fearin' propaganda. You repeatedly demonstrate complete unquestioning support for both Christianity AND aggressive militarism without the slightest cognitive dissonance. I had no idea it was possible to imprint on a person so completely.

Girl, they did a reeeeeeeal thorough job on you.

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amy-lepore | High School Teacher | (Level 1) Educator Emeritus

Posted May 28, 2010 at 4:53 AM (Answer #13)

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Funny how the ones who say they are so open-minded and liberal are the first to throw stones at the more conservative.  Sticks and stones, little dancer, sticks and stones.  I will pray for you, even though that thought, also, may make you run to puke a bit more.

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dancer7 | Student , Undergraduate | Honors

Posted May 28, 2010 at 2:26 PM (Answer #14)

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I will pray for you, even though that thought, also, may make you run to puke a bit more. - Amy

Prayer offered as an attack; how you.

Pray for me... don't pray for me. Stick pins in a voodoo doll for me... don't stick pins in a voodoo doll for me.

meh...

http://www.skepdic.com/prayer.html

The truth still remains that the US armed forces are NOT a pure force for good in this sorry world. Anything but.

Abu-ghraib, anyone?

 

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accessteacher | High School Teacher | (Level 3) Distinguished Educator

Posted May 29, 2010 at 3:26 AM (Answer #15)

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Yes! Sorry to be anti-American, but as a Brit I am afraid that Americans have very bad press for interfering in other countries' affairs and trying to promote their own agenda onto very unwilling recipients. Just have a look at America's foreign policy with regard to Latin America in the 70's and 80's and obviously key cases from recent history are Afghanistan and Iraq. Supposedly driven by quests for weapons of mass destruction which have never been found. Hopefully under Obama we will see a move away from Bush's warmongering and axis of evil towards a more peaceful role that the States can take on the world stage.

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frizzyperm | College Teacher | Valedictorian

Posted May 29, 2010 at 2:12 PM (Answer #16)

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One of the most frustrating things about America is its ability to blind itself to its own behaviour. There seems to be a group-think self-censorship that says, "America is good becuase it is America". And that is the end of any difficult self-analysis.

But there is no way the pro-military comments on this page are justifiable. Anyone with a reasonably open world view knows that America is not 'pure evil', but the endless claims that America is the 'Glorious Impartial Defender of Global Freedom' is just bull***t.

CHALLENGE you to watch this 2 minute, BBC news report of just one example of a US war crime. (30 unknown people casually bombed to bits and the US pilot laughs. - The Pentagon has confirmed it is genuine. Fox News simply censors stuff like this on your behalf.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AXN3H3BPQU&feature=related

I could link to 1000s of websites which raise difficult questions about US behaviour, but you can find them with one google search. And we not talking about websites created by lunatic fringe nutters, we're talking about the UN, The EU, The BBC, et al. The US military is a bulldozer with no brakes and you really shouldn't claim the US is only a force for good. America, like all other countries, acts in its own self-interest. It supports terror regimes all around the world. It regularly plays dirty tricks and can be an out-and-out bully. Does the name Henry Kissinger not mean anything to you?

Come on, wake up. America is no angel...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/4354269.stm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2003/nov/20/usa.iraq1

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/3661134.stm

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0206-30.htm

http://www.minorityperspective.co.uk/2010/04/08/us-military-lied-about-war-crimes-in-iraq-and-afghanistan/

http://www.opendemocracy.net/democracy-americanpower/iraq_warcrimes_3627.jsp

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-03-20-guantanamo-canadian_N.htm

http://www.islamawareness.net/WarCrimes/American/

 

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dano7744 | College Teacher | (Level 2) Educator

Posted May 30, 2010 at 10:25 AM (Answer #17)

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I don't think we are necessarily "trigger happy" as you put it. Global security is of paramount importance, like it or not there are many groups of people out there and many countries that wish to do us harm. Military action is never an absolute first choice but is only used after other avenues like diplomacy have failed to bring about change. I would like to think that military action is a last resort. We have to trust our leadership to protect us. Even if you did not vote for the current administration, we have to give them the benefit of the doubt in regards to deploying troops  around the world.

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eslamgewshy | Student , Undergraduate | Honors

Posted June 3, 2010 at 4:04 AM (Answer #18)

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i think that USA has lost much of her respect and esteem after it's latest wars against Iraq,Aphaginstan.and also it's support to Israel.the military solutions don't make honour but it is only peace that does this.

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atonement | Student , Undergraduate | eNoter

Posted June 3, 2010 at 4:08 PM (Answer #19)

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The military and actually many citizens/cops are trigger happy. Violence is never really the answer especially when it is no longer your fight, surely the senseless losses on both sides in Iraq should stop now that there are no WMDs? To me it seems that the US is in a bell jar, the media, sports, culture etc is very hostile to anything foreign, the ‘us’ and ‘them’ mentality is apparent in the foreign policy and the way in which the US military works in Iraq and Afghanistan etc. Also unfortunately history proves that when America ‘helps’ other countries it is ultimately for self gain whether economic or political. There has been genocide and destruction all over the world long before 9/11 where was the US then? Imo the blind patriotism of earlier centuries is pointless we should look at the facts and own up to our mistakes instead of hiding behind a flag.

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