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Our growing government will doom us all...

The Founding Fathers created the Constitution as a guard against big government.  Unfortunately, they had no idea that time, apathy, and the idea of protecting everyone's rights would slowly allow the government to grow to the size it is today.  I mean it's huge people and constantly growing.  There's an agency for everything with more on the way thanks to Obama care.  I guess the real question is:  How do we stop it?

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I don't agree that they created it as a guard against big government.  They had no idea that there was such a thing as the kind of government we have now.  They created it as a guard against autocracy and against excess democracy (in both cases by making it relatively hard to get anything done).

I can't see where blaming the government makes any sense.  This is the government we have asked for.  It is the government we vote for, or at least tolerate.  We hate handouts except the ones that help us.  We hate pork except for the pork in our districts.  The government is not the enemy -- it is largely giving us what we want (which is why it is not much different under Obama than it was under Bush -- remember the Medicare drug plan...)

So, there's a simple way to stop it and it is exactly what the Founders had in mind... vote, organize, agitate.

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I don't agree that they created it as a guard against big government.  They had no idea that there was such a thing as the kind of government we have now.  They created it as a guard against autocracy and against excess democracy (in both cases by making it relatively hard to get anything done).

I can't see where blaming the government makes any sense.  This is the government we have asked for.  It is the government we vote for, or at least tolerate.  We hate handouts except the ones that help us.  We hate pork except for the pork in our districts.  The government is not the enemy -- it is largely giving us what we want (which is why it is not much different under Obama than it was under Bush -- remember the Medicare drug plan...)

So, there's a simple way to stop it and it is exactly what the Founders had in mind... vote, organize, agitate.

  During the 1750's on into the 1800's, the English citizen was the highest taxed person in the world at that time, along with religious persecution and the desire for land, many, along with other Europeans, would come to America to flee such an intrucive gov..  Now, 200+ years later, it has come full circle.  I do believe the Founding Fathers wanted to avoid that.  That is why so many were against a strong central government.  They tried the Articles of Confederation, but they were too weak.  So, with the promise of the Bill of Rights, they created this government.  Now the 3 things you listed that must take place can work well in unison, but if you take one out of the equation, problems occur as is the case today where apathy and other ailments have created a monster.  In all honesty though, the Founding Fathers also created the constitution to protect their own rights, it will take another 200 years to involve everyone else.  I appreciate the dialog...

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I for one am highly in favor of "The Fair Tax."  I'm not actually a Libertarian and I'm not saying I worship at the temple of Neal Boortz - but I'm pretty sold on the idea of a consumption tax over an income tax.  I think it has a pretty good chance of decreasing government.

I read the book maybe three years ago, and it seems like the idea isn't catching on.  I've tried to write my senators and congressman once a year with my support.  I guess right now it is a plan that I don't want to die.

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In reply to #2:  During the 1750's on into the 1800's, the English citizen was the highest taxed person in the world at that time, along with religious persecution and the desire for land, many, along with other Europeans, would come to America to flee such an intrucive gov..  Now, 200+ years later, it has come full circle.  I do believe the Founding Fathers wanted to avoid that.  That is why so many were against a strong central government.  They tried the Articles of Confederation, but they were too weak.  So, with the promise of the Bill of Rights, they created this government.  Now the 3 things you listed that must take place can work well in unison, but if you take one out of the equation, problems occur as is the case today where apathy and other ailments have created a monster.  In all honesty though, the Founding Fathers also created the constitution to protect their own rights, it will take another 200 years to involve everyone else.  I appreciate the dialog...

To me, high taxes are not the issue (and I have a hard time believing that the English were more oppressed than the French or, especially, the Russians under the Tsar) today.  What is the issue is too much government and not enough tax compared to spending (or too much spending compared to revenues).  The English government was way more willing to infring on people's rights, but it was not nearly so extensive as our own (no rules about work place safety, no rules about where you can smoke, no rules about whether you can eat trans fats).

So I still don't think the Founders were afraid of big government as we understand it because they had no idea such a think could even exist.

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I find your use of the cliche "Obamacare" intriguing.  It suggests that you have been influenced by the media meme suggesting that before Obama, health care and the insurance industry wasn't massive.  That Medicare didn't exist and the budget was somehow always balanced under previous Presidents, when in fact it was trillions in debt.  Big government isn't our doom.  Big business might be, if it proceeds in the nearly unchecked fashion it has in recent years.

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I disagree with your premise that the constitution was designed to avoid big government. After all, they did include checks and balances. Even so, there was no way the founders could have anticipated the complexities of modern life. Our government is big and complicated because we live in a big, complex and intricate world.

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