Should Johnny & Ponyboy be charged with murder or manslaughter for Bob's death?  Why?

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lfawley | College Teacher | (Level 1) Associate Educator

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Under United States law, murder is defined as:

the unlawful killing of a human being with malice aforethought (The US Code, at Title 18)

This definition implies that the person or persons charged with the act had to have entered into the commission of the crime with the intention of doing harm. Murder is intentional.

Under United States law, manslaughter is defined as:

the unlawful killing of another, without malice, either express or implied; which may be either voluntary, upon sudden heat, or involuntary, but in the commission of some unlawful act (The US Code at Title 18, §1112)

In light of the circumstances, the logical charge would be manslaughter, but as has already been indicated, the likely outcome would be a defense of self defense.

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pohnpei397 | College Teacher | (Level 3) Distinguished Educator

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In my opinion, it would not matter -- they would end up being found not guilty no matter what the charge.  It would be very simple to win this case by claiming self defense (if they had a decent lawyer).

But as to the charge, it would definitely need to be manslaughter.  It is hard to argue that they really had meant to kill Bob even as they started to fight, let alone before the fight started.

If you look at the link I've provided, for example, it explicitly states that "mutual combat" is one of the factors that makes manslaughter rather than murder.

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ik9744 | Student, Grade 9 | (Level 1) Valedictorian

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Nope, it was an act of self-defense, but at their current gang 'greasers' would probably be charged since they are 'lower' then Socs.

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