How we can find the origin of life?what is main purpose for creating Us? only for our parents sexual desires take us here or any serious purpose for the creation of human beings ? If some one have...

How we can find the origin of life?

what is main purpose for creating Us? only for our parents sexual desires take us here or any serious purpose for the creation of human beings ?

If some one have sold reason for our creation then plz

BIGBANG theories and all others related with origin of life are  not acceptable in any manner as we see; life come into existence by combining some elements or gases , question arises here from where gases come into being . So is there any CREATOR of the world?

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Finding the origin of life and determining the reason for our creation are two different things.  The origin of life will be difficult to determine, because we have as yet not defined what life is -- and it's something that seems to evade a tidy description. As science progresses, there may be a definitive answer as to what life is, and what life is not -- with that in hand, we would have a better idea as to life's origins.  The reason there is life (and everyone agrees that there is life) falls into the area of philosophers.

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This is clearly a big question and I am very pleased to see it on the discussion board as you will find a variety of responses. What is key to realise is that everybody will have their own opinions on this depending on their own beliefs and values. Christians for example would say that life started through an act of God, a divine being, and that our life's purpose is to glorify him and live in relationship with him. Others however would come up with a different response.

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I guess that my answer to the question is not really going to be an answer. Given that you are asking for a solid reason for life, I do not think that there is one. I think that, like many things, we simply exist. This is one of those things that we will never understand. The more important question, for me, is what do we do with our existence? Given that we cannot explain why we exist, we need to consider how to exist instead.

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This is one of those questions that makes my brain hurt.  If there is a god, he/she/it does not seem to be the kind of figure described by most human religions. At the very least, traditional creation narratives don't seem plausible, given the available evidence and traditional interpretations of those narratives. It seems extremely unlikely, for instance, that the earth is only about 6000 years old.

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There's no way to know (for the second part of your question) is there?  I mean, I have no solid reason to use to argue that we were created by some god.  But then again, is there any solid reason that we were not created by a god?  After all, other explanations (that the universe was just there, etc) seem equally implausible.

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life has originated on earth by some hydrocarbon gases and with a big bang theory

Many theories has been suggested by many scientists but no one knows is the perfect. But this gas one by JBS Haldin is till now d appropriate one.
There r also many hypothsesis for the creation of life.
One is that life was created but God. But It is related to science in any way. So....

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Our Earth formed about six billion years ago from a condensation of dust and gases orbiting the young Sun.   Astronomers have observed far-away solar systems with planets in various stages of this kind of development.   Life?   As best we can tell it appeared about four billion years ago, after the crust of the Earth cooled enough to permit liquid water.   The atmosphere then contained nitrogen, methane, and other gases, but little or no oxygen.   Lightening activity was pronounced.  In the mid-twentieth century scientists subjected a mixture of gases replicating ealy Earth's atmosphere to prolonged electric discharge.   The result was a mixture of amino acids - the building blocks of life.  Over eons of time simple cells formed, eventually forming clusters, then increasing in complexity.   Primitive plant forms produced oxygen, allowing yet more diverse forms.  Selah.

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Hi! Frizzyperm:  Post 30 has completely digressed from the current subject "Origin of Life" and if it is to be discussed, let Us do it at the right forum i.e. "Islam Vs Christianity".

I have no comments to offer here as these will be irrelevant to the topic under discussion.

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We are beating our points Frizzzyperm. Your Contention that my words "The life originated in water..." are not consistent with the Author's words  "And out of water have We made all things living alive" is just a matter of my interpretation. I stand by the Author's words and still do not find it inconsistent with the scientific research. What is referred to as Author's words are also an English translation. The original text is in Arabic by God that stands unchanged for 1400 years unlike other Scriptures that are human versions and we don not have those in original. The discussion is not leading us anywhere constructive with our rigid approach.

I am glad you do not hate Koran but at the same time it is said: "I don't like the Koran and I don't want the Koran." The words are too strong.

Islam is a religion of peace by the very meaning of the word. Please do not attribute the word hate to me as I have always advocated love and peace. The "natural hate" I used was for the hate of Jews and Christians towards the blessed cousin Mohammad in context of jealousy. And as for as killing is concerned, I would say, "Muslims did not start crusades, they did use Nuclear Bombs, They did not wage war against Iraq raising false alarm of WMDs and they did not exterminated native Americans etc. etc. It was someone else."

Muslims are not stealing the discoveries of science but laid foundation for it (please refer to my post #40 in "Proof of God's Existence").

you said: "I don't like the Koran and I don't want the Koran." The words are too strong. - Najm

Excuse me Najm, I can see no reason why my words are too strong. They are a perfectly fair statement. Are you suggesting I have to like and want the Koran?

Islam is not exclusively a religion of peace. That is simply not true. Around the world we can see countless violent groups killing in the name of Islam. Now, you will say, "Oh, they are not real Muslims" and you will just turn a blind eye to the fact that they are finding their motivation from the Koran. Islam is only peaceful when it has complete social control, otherwise, in the wrong hands, Mohammed's book is capable of inspiring terrible religious savagery.

The "natural hate" I used was for the hate of Jews and Christians towards the blessed cousin Mohammad in context of jealousy.

You seem to be implying that Jews and Christians hate Muslims, but Muslims don't hate Jews and Christians. Please Najm, you do your religion more harm than good by presenting such black-and-white rejections of responsibility. Muhammed owned a sword. He had an army and used it (and lost battles, which is interesting). A man who starts wars is not a perfect man of peace.

Muhammad and his successors invaded their neighbors in order to impose Islam. Islam has a history of peace and a history of violence. And, most of all, Islam has a clear doctrine of muscular global ambitions.

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We are beating our points Frizzzyperm. Your Contention that my words "The life originated in water..." are not consistent with the Author's words  "And out of water have We made all things living alive" is just a matter of my interpretation. I stand by the Author's words and still do not find it inconsistent with the scientific research. What is referred to as Author's words are also an English translation. The original text is in Arabic by God that stands unchanged for 1400 years unlike other Scriptures that are human versions and we don not have those in original. The discussion is not leading us anywhere constructive with our rigid approach.

I am glad you do not hate Koran but at the same time it is said: "I don't like the Koran and I don't want the Koran." The words are too strong.

Islam is a religion of peace by the very meaning of the word. Please do not attribute the word hate to me as I have always advocated love and peace. The "natural hate" I used was for the hate of Jews and Christians towards the blessed cousin Mohammad in context of jealousy. And as for as killing is concerned, I would say, "Muslims did not start crusades, they did use Nuclear Bombs, They did not wage war against Iraq raising false alarm of WMDs and they did not exterminated native Americans etc. etc. It was someone else."

Muslims are not stealing the discoveries of science but laid foundation for it (please refer to my post #40 in "Proof of God's Existence").

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P.S.

you said,

If you say that the statement "And out of water have We made all things living alive" is vague, I cannot understand what is a clear statement.

Well Najm, I think most people would understand, "And out of water have We made all things living alive" as the author is saying that they constructed all living thing of water. But you are saying it means that all living things were constructed in water. So, it is vague in itself. But, more importantly, what I have been trying to suggest to you for the last 3 or 4 post is that it is vague as a modern, scientific explanation for the origins of life on this planet.

You are stealing the discoveries of science and retro-fitting them into the Koran. And the result is always a very tenuous and over-stretched attempt to find things in between the lines that just aren't there.

I have had this conversation with muslims many times before.

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As far as your hate for Koran is concerned, that is understandable. The followers of Judaism and Christianiy have been told in their books about Mohammad... - Najm

I didn't say I hate the Koran, I said I don't like it. I object to it morally, intellectually and culturally. Hate is an emotion. My reservations towards the Koran are based on reason, not emotion.

We Muslims believe in all the prophets and all the books of God and love them all. But Jews and Christians tend to forget the words of God because Mohammad was not born in the Tribe of Isaac but in the Tribe of Ishmael – It’s natural hate for the cousin. Please don't be jealous if we follow the perfect version of Islam - The religion of Abraham. You can also opt to be one of us as well.

Thank you for your kind invitation to become a Muslim, Najm. My answer is a very solid, 'No.' Not least because if I did join and then changed my mind, your punishment for that is death. I don't join organisations who expressly state that they will kill me if I try to leave. I'm funny that way.

As for Judaism and Christianity, I can't really find anything attractive about them either, to be honest. In fact, all 3 religions look remarkably similar to me. You are right when you say that you are all hateful cousins (your words). Endlessly fighting and killing each other over which of you is the one, true, holy religion of the wondrous God of Love.

It's just not for me, thanks.

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If you say that the statement "And out of water have We made all things living alive" is vague, I cannot understand what is a clear statement. But what are your comments when "a 58:31 minute documentary - The Cell Episode 3 The Spark of Life (BBC)" is termed as "a three hour summary of certain areas of modern cellular biology”?

I am an engineer and I look at the facts given in the documentary as “building blocks” of Cellular Biology, the only difference is that in precision engineering these are measured in microns, whereas in Genetic Engineering these blocks are measured in nanometers. Sizes do matter physically but not conceptually, so I am not trying to reverse-fit.

Moreover, the documentary is made with the help of media and is trying to create hype as the media is doing today.

As far as your hate for Koran is concerned, that is understandable. The followers of Judaism and Christianiy have been told in their books about Mohammad and for that you may see my post 15 in Islam Vs Christianity:

http://www.enotes.com/history/discuss/islam-vs-christianity-118174?start=10.

We Muslims believe in all the prophets and all the books of God and love them all. But Jews and Christians tend to forget the words of God because Mohammad was not born in the Tribe of Isaac but in the Tribe of Ishmael – It’s natural hate for the cousin. Please don't be jealous if we follow the perfect version of Islam - The religion of Abraham. You can also opt to be one of us as well.

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Why do religious people always try to reverse-fit detailed science into the most vague statements from their old books? The Koran says,  "And out of water have We made all things living alive."

It is not surprising that Arabs living in the burning desert thought water was the stuff of life. But you watched a 3-hour documentary all you found was your 1 little line from the Koran...

[The] documentary proves regarding evolution of life after all that time consuming and pains taking research. In nut shell it proves that: "The life originated in water as a cell without air and wether is on this earth or elsewhere in the Universe, this basic cell is identical." The rest of the documentary is "How it happened and what is being done to advance this knowledge for the advantage of mankind." And this is consistent with what was revealed on Mohammad in Koran that life originated in water.

That's pretty tragic. Do you really think that the only crucial and important fact regarding the bio-chemical origin and development of life is that it took place in water? And is it impossible for anyone to imagine that life is water-based without the help of a supernatural intelligence.

(And by the way. The Koran is not a code of conduct for Mankind. It is a code of conduct for Muslims. I don't like the Koran and I don't want the Koran. Muslims have no right to say that their religious book applies to everyone.)

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Post 22: Yes! I said that I watched the documentary. Now lets see what documentary proves regarding evolution of life after all that time consuming and pains taking research. In nut shell it proves that: "The life originated in water as a cell without air and wether is on this earth or elsewhere in the Universe, this basic cell is identical." The rest of the documentary is "How it happened and what is being done to advance this knowledge for the advantage of mankind." And this is consistent with what was revealed on Mohammad in Koran that life originated in water.

As I said in post 21:

Koran is a Code of Conduct for the mankind and NOT a Treatise of Science.

Koran provides basic fact regarding creation and not the details. Can you imagine the people at the time of revelation of Koran would have understood all this with the state of knowledge at that time? The people had already been calling Mohammad names and torturing him, like they did to other prophets, for his teachings. This is not the only fact regarding creation but many others exist in Koran as well.

The details were of no use at that point in time, however, basic facts were mentioned for the generations to come. It was to tell them that what is contained in 'The Book' holds for all times to come and to prove that it is a Book by the Creator for the creation - Humans in relation to their conduct.

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