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Posted July 18, 2011 at 10:22 AM via web

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Is Frost trying to say that walls, where useful, are much to be desired?

Is Frost trying to say that walls, where useful, are much to be desired?

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lsumner | High School Teacher | (Level 2) Senior Educator

Posted July 18, 2011 at 11:15 AM (Answer #2)

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I believe that Frost is saying there is a place for a fence. There are cows to keep in, but I believe that Frost or the speaker of the poem is not necessarily in favor of the fence between his house and his neighbor's. Of course, the neighbor would not have it any other way, believing that "good fences make good neighbors."

The speaker seems to think his neighbor is from some ancient time period. The neighbor lives and swears by the fence. It has been a tradition in his family. The fence is necessary to keep a peaceful relationship with your neighbor.

Who doesn't like a wall? I believe the speaker believes fences are only for practical use. He even mentions that his trees are not going to get into his neighbor's yard. Also, he says one should really consider what the purpose of the fence is serving. He says one should think twice before building a wall:

Before I built a wall I'd ask to know 
What I was walling in or walling out, 
And to whom I was like to give offence. 
Something there is that doesn't love a wall, 
That wants it down.' I could say 'Elves' to him,

The speaker is being facetious, kidding with his neighbor about the elves. He thinks his neighbor is old-fashioned in his desire to have a wall between them, but the speaker humors him and tends to mending the wall each spring:

I see him there 
Bringing a stone grasped firmly by the top 
In each hand, like an old-stone savage armed. 
He moves in darkness as it seems to me~ 
Not of woods only and the shade of trees. 
He will not go behind his father's saying, 
And he likes having thought of it so well 
He says again, 'Good fences make good neighbors.'

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Lori Steinbach | High School Teacher | (Level 3) Distinguished Educator

Posted July 18, 2011 at 12:23 PM (Answer #3)

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I agree with the excellent analysis of the previous poster. While the poem is entitled "Mending Walls" and the only real action of the poem is two men working on either side of a wall, mending the damage of the winter, it seems to me the poem is not really about a wall. The wall is the thing, as suggested above, which is an indicator of two ways of looking at life. The older neighbor takes his walls quite seriously, clinging to the tradition of the wall despite the fact that it is not keeping anything out or in. The younger neighbor is respectful of the tradition, obviously, or he would not keep doing this annual, rather thankless task. It is two perspectives on tradition.

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pohnpei397 | College Teacher | (Level 3) Distinguished Educator

Posted July 18, 2011 at 12:30 PM (Answer #4)

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I don't think the speaker is talking about walls in a practical sense.  He is not talking (I don't think) about cows or trees.  I think the speaker is talking about the need for people to maintain a separation between themselves and society.  I think he is saying that walls between an individual and society are important.  It is important for a person to maintain some psychic and emotional separation between himself and society.  By doing so, people can maintain a sense of self and yet still be able to engage with society on their own terms.  In this way, "walls" (in a metaphorical sense) are useful and desirable.

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litteacher8 | Middle School Teacher | (Level 1) Distinguished Educator

Posted July 18, 2011 at 12:38 PM (Answer #5)

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I think that Frost is suggesting that people need their space. Neighbors that get in one another's way will not be friendly, but when they have their own privacy and room they are good neighbors. In a metaphorical sense, this means that people would get along better if they were not in such close quarters.
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kiwi | High School Teacher | (Level 3) Educator

Posted July 18, 2011 at 1:54 PM (Answer #6)

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There is an irony, I think, in the two men having the opposing views on the nature and purpose of the wall. Frost's poem shows that despite the neighbours differing opinions on the function of wall, both use the task of 'mending' it to cement their relationship.

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accessteacher | High School Teacher | (Level 3) Distinguished Educator

Posted July 18, 2011 at 9:54 PM (Answer #7)

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I agree with the irony that kiwi explores in #6. I don't think it is clear what Frost himself thinks about metaphorical walls, and clearly the two characters in the poem, the speaker and his neighbour, represent two sides of the argument. The way in which the neighbour keeps on repeating "Good walls make good neighbours" seems to infer that he is rather unthinking about his adherence to the need for boundaries, whereas the speaker seems to question such beliefs.

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amy-lepore | High School Teacher | (Level 1) Educator Emeritus

Posted July 19, 2011 at 6:08 AM (Answer #8)

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You've got some great posts here.  The title tells all--"Mending Wall"--it doesn't just apply to the mending/repairing of the wall itself.  It also refers to the meeting in the middle of two people with differing opinions and viewpoints to "mend" or at least come to an agreement to disagree point in their relationship.  It is a peaceful ceremony, they each meet on their respective sides of the wall, not talking much, but coming to an understanding that each has his own ideas of the purpose of the wall.  One uses the wall to keep things in, the other to keep things out, but they work together each season to keep the wall in good shape.  Thus, "good walls make good neighbors".

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brettd | High School Teacher | (Level 2) Educator Emeritus

Posted July 19, 2011 at 8:57 AM (Answer #9)

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I think he's trying to say that a world without walls or barriers of any kind is not only impractical but inadvisable as well. Some are for safety, some are for identity, and some are just to maintain our own sanity (anyone who has ever had annoying neighbors can vouch for this). While we shouldn't throw up barriers, real or social, arbitrarily or without thought, Frost tries to acknowledge that they are a necessary part of human existence and coexistence.

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