Evolution - Real or Not?Evolution is in so many ways taking over beliefs. I don't actually agree with it... I'm a creationist/Chrisian and don't believe in it at all. Wondering what you think about...

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Evolution - Real or Not?

Evolution is in so many ways taking over beliefs. I don't actually agree with it... I'm a creationist/Chrisian and don't believe in it at all. Wondering what you think about this subject - is it real or is it not?

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Darwin's book makes difficult reading. The best book on evolution is a much more recent book by Richard Dawkins titledThe Selfish Gene. He writes beautiful English. He explains how the earliest life forms originated and how they have evolved. There were life forms in existence even before one-celled creatures. Cell walls were an evolutionary development for survival. I believe he says that life originated out of chemicals about three-and-a-half billion years ago. I have noted that people who are the most strongly opposed to the theory of evolution typically refuse to read about it. They don't even have to read about it. There are many documentaries about evolution available on DVDs, including documentaries and docu-dramas about Charles Darwin.

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Theory of gravity, theory of relativity, number theory, probability theory, quantum theory,  computational complexity theory, theory of integration, cell theory along with theory of evolution - all just theories, not facts

tiburtius,

 

A theory does NOT mean that is not true, and that it is only a guess and an observation - that's not how it is used in Science at all. Theory means the data presenteded is still open for expansion, so if new evidence was presented to show that trilobites had two more proteins on their exoskeletons, that would be added to the data. That's all 'theory' means in Science, that it is still open to more information (which is pretty much everything in Science).

 

If you still aren't convienced, did you know electricity is a theory? I think we know how to harness and use electricity pretty well, and it's accepted as a true thing in society (because it's silly to say it doesn't exist when we clearly use it). Evolution is also a theory, but there is clear evidene for it - just to go a museum and ask a evolution expert to explain everything to you and show you concrete evidence - bones, fossils, fragments, you name it! 

My post was supposed to be sarcastic, I actually agree with you. See post #107.

 

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Theory of gravity, theory of relativity, number theory, probability theory, quantum theory,  computational complexity theory, theory of integration, cell theory along with theory of evolution - all just theories, not facts

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For all those who want to learn more about about how the life started  and about Charles Darwin and evolution I would recomend the following documentaries: First LifeCharles Darwin and the Tree of Life. If after this you still believe God litteraly created world in 7 days, then there are no point in further discussion.

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Re. #84 and #85. You say that this is your opinion taught to you by your religion teacher when you were in the eighth grade. No doubt you had other religious teachings when you were even younger, that is, when your mind was immature and you believed what older people told you. What you are expressing here is not exactly your opinion but your religion teacher's opinion. If children can be indoctrinated with such beliefs when they are very young, it is difficult if not impossible for them to think any other way when they become mature. I believe that most fundamentalists and creationists hold the views they hold because they were taught a whole set of fantastic and totally unsubstantiated beliefs when they were children. Your religion teacher probably had a comparable indoctrination when he was a child. If these concepts were not impressed on small children, they would most likely die out within a short time, because a mature adult cannot accept such notions as an invisible man who lives up in the sky and watches over everything.

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I wish everybody would read the marvelous and highly reader-friendly book by Richard Dawkins titled The Selfish Gene. Dawkins is a biologist and a Darwinian.

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In response to #4: No one is saying that the literal words of Genesis match up with scientific theory.  And while they don't align when taken literally, they're not really in competition, either--I no more "believe" in evolution than I "believe" that the earth revolves around the sun. I can appreciate the values and beauty inherent in an origin story for humanity that celebrates a divine origin and holy human gifts and explains the faults and pains born by us all. That doesn't mean I have to believe that, for example, the first woman was literally created from the surgically removed rib of a particular man.
While in the past, various churches denounced Copernicus and Galileo as blasphemers and dismissed heliocentric models as false at best and evil at worst, I like to think that we've progressed past that.  Instead, many people of faith who accept evolution as one of the basic tenets of biology believe that in the same way that Jesus taught people about metaphysical concepts like God's mercy and judgment through parables and analogies to things they could understand, Genesis uses metaphor, myth, and parable to teach a greater truth in non-literal terms.

 

You might want to check out Inherit the Wind--a fantastic book and a brilliant movie that shows the so-called Scopes Monkey Trial, where two profoundly intelligent and articulate Christian men argue about teaching evolution in schools.  It's a complex issue, because it's so tied up with politics and religion, and the book and film treat it with dignity.

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Evolution is real no question about it. Perhaps we don't know everything about evolution, but evolution is real. And for all those who insist on interpreting the bible literally you should read 'The life of Jesus' from D. F. Strauss. 

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Reply to #15

 

"Evolution does not attempt to explain 'everything' and it does not attempt to answer the questions you offered."


Because it can't

 

 

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I don't believe in evolution; however, I agree that each individual must delve into the topic and make their own decision based on what they find. Another must respect any free will decision another individual makes. I hearken back to pastor John MacArthur's statement that evolutionary theory is summed up as this... (paraphrased)

"Nothing x No one = everything."

Doesn't seem logical to me.

I saw a program the other day called Bird Tales on PBS Boston. A birder in the show talked about birds and their songs and their voice mechanisms inherent in them . He said these voice mechanisms in then were designed for certain functions. Who designed them? I believe the Creator God did. Every one has to answer this question for themselves.

A watch demands a watchmaker. A fine cake demands a baker or pastry chef. I believe a great first cause, who inhabits eternity and has life inherent is the starting point of all that is. I believe the great first cause is God. I don't believe that everything came from nothing. I don't believe that life came from lifeless matter. Where did matter come from in the first place?

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It seems as if you has already made up your mind. Evolution (i.e. the development of different species) by natural selection has withstood more than 150 years of rigorous scrutiny by all of the scientific disciplines mentioned above. It is a theory that you can take to the bank, and the broad outlines of the theory are are essentially demonstrable fact. As for the issue raised in Post #4, if your faith, in your mind, prohibits you from embracing the findings of science, then so be it. But other people don't have to see it that way. 

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If you view the fossil record, you will see the evidence of how living things of today, had "ancestors" that appeared different. However, due to years of natural selection and an ever-changing environment, life evolved. Those with the best traits for that environment survived and others perished, resulting in new species over eons of time. The DNA evidence, comparative anatomy and embryology, the fossil record all provide indisputable proof that life on Earth was and is continually changing.

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I think that people have the right to believe what they want spiritually, and you can look at religion as a metaphor rather than an absolute scientific truth.  Science is not necessarily set in stone.  Science is about proof.  As long as you can prove something it is true, but until then it is a theory and it can be disproven.

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Evolution is indisputable, based not only on a fossil record we can see, but also on well-documented studies of evolution in our own time.  One wonderful book about this is The Beak of the Finch: A Story of Evolution in Our Time, by Jonathan Weiner.  He and a partner were able to trace the evolution of finch beaks on an isolated island, demonstrating adaptation and natural selection over a series of climate changes on the island. 

Evolution, in fact, is not a matter of belief at all, but of evidence and logic.  There is no basis for saying that evolution is taking over belief because there is no requirement to choose between them.  As the first response notes, they are not necessarily incompatible, and in fact, the more I learn about the wonders the world as explained by science, the stronger my belief is in a higher power. 


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Evolution is real.  And I don't think that it's incompatible with faith.  It's only incompatible with believing that the Bible is meant as a scientific textbook.  But that is not (to me) what the Bible is supposed to be.  There's no reason that evolution can't be part of God's way of creation, in my opinion.

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